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Oil refineries sue EPA over ethanol plan
GOPUSA ^ | January 4, 2011 | Ken Thomas (Associated Press)

Posted on 01/04/2011 8:03:13 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

WASHINGTON (AP) — A ruling by the Obama administration allowing the sale of gasoline containing 15 percent ethanol is running into legal hurdles from trade groups opposing the plan.

The National Petrochemical and Refiners Association sued the Environmental Protection Agency on Monday over the decision to allow the sale of gasoline containing higher blends of corn-based ethanol, the second major group to protest the ruling.

The Obama administration said in October that gas stations could start selling the ethanol blend for vehicles built since the 2007 model year, increasing it from the current blend of 10 percent ethanol.

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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I have no doubt the Indy Ethanol switch was to generate advertising dollars from AMD and others.


61 posted on 01/05/2011 6:04:36 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

How can we find out if the gas we buy has ethanol? My car is 2002, my pick-up is 1979, my tractor 1948...and the thought that after all these years of faithful service their engines would be ruined....scares me. Plus...I have a chain saw, two tillers, a small generator.....

Is there a website that can inform you about who’s gas is really ‘all gas’?


62 posted on 01/05/2011 6:07:33 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: RoadTest

#2 yellow dent corn is an essential food?


63 posted on 01/05/2011 6:10:06 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Methanol in the US is nearly always made by converting natural gas through a high-pressure catalytic process in the presence of steam.


64 posted on 01/05/2011 6:12:45 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Wombat Ark

I looked it over . I live in Maryland and no station within 50 miles on me.

A few on the Eastern shore , but none on the Western.


65 posted on 01/05/2011 6:12:49 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Mr. Lucky
#2 yellow dent corn is an essential food?

Aside from ethanol, is it used for anything else than the food supply chain?

Corn meal is made from #2 as is High Fructose Corn Syrup. HFCS has undesirable qualities but there is no doubt it is used in many foods and drinks in the US.

66 posted on 01/05/2011 6:20:26 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Venturer
All of Maryland and most of the surrounding area is legally required by the EPA to use Reformulated (Oxygenated) motor gasoline fuel. Unless there are some specialty service stations that supply gasoline for non-highway use, it is unlikely that any service station is selling non-methanol fuel unless they are still using MTBE.


67 posted on 01/05/2011 6:25:53 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Make that: non-m ethanol fuel
68 posted on 01/05/2011 6:27:16 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

It is easier for me to check the gas before I use in in any engines I have. I don’t have to rely on a station telling the truth about the Ethanol in the gas. If the tests show that mess, I will not use it and I will scratch that station off my list. [:0)


69 posted on 01/05/2011 6:30:20 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: seemoAR

Keep in mind gasoline stations, especially discount (non-name brand) stations, do not always get their gasoline from the same source, especially if you are near a high population center that likely has multiple truck loading stations.


70 posted on 01/05/2011 6:35:12 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Wombat Ark

Thanks, thanks for the web site. There are at least two stations near me. Thanks again.


71 posted on 01/05/2011 6:37:27 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: Venturer

My Ethanol free gas station isn’t on the list either. I would imagine there are a lot more around the Country. The test can be used to locate them in your area.


72 posted on 01/05/2011 6:37:53 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: All
I should have added to the map above for reformulated gasoline requirements. That was only the federal requirements.

Washington, Oregon, California, Minnesota, Missouri and some counties in other states also require Oxygenated and often specifically ethanol added gasoline.

See more detailed map at:
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/GFM/Files/US_Gasoline_Map.pdf

73 posted on 01/05/2011 6:43:18 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Mmmm. More high fructose corn syrup for me.

As an aside, less than 5% of the US corn harvest is consumed by this product (which is hardly an "essential" food).

74 posted on 01/05/2011 6:43:24 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: thackney

That is the reason I check the gas every time I get some for my mowers and chain saws. I have had far too much trouble with crappy gas.


75 posted on 01/05/2011 6:46:18 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: Mr. Lucky

It isn’t a large portion of the total corn market, but to take it away or significantly raise its price would have an affect on the food market.

Also, over half the US corn production is used in the US food supply chain.

Reference: http://api.org/aboutoilgas/upload/Energizing_America_Facts.pdf
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76 posted on 01/05/2011 6:48:26 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Yes, but corn which is used for ethanol production is also used for livestock feed and, at least by ruminants, is used more efficiently. It's not either or.

My point is that the marketplace, not the government, should dictate how much corn is produced in the US, how the corn is produced and how it is used. While ethanol mandates are wrong, so would be ethanol prohibitions.

77 posted on 01/05/2011 7:05:06 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

“#2 yellow dent corn is an essential food?”

You got me. What’s #2 yellow dent corn?


78 posted on 01/05/2011 7:14:13 AM PST by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: Mr. Lucky

We agree. We should both write our representative and senators asking the mandates and subsidies be dropped.


79 posted on 01/05/2011 7:15:00 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: RoadTest

It’s the standard grade of “field corn”.


80 posted on 01/05/2011 7:18:56 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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