Hawaii guv suddenly 'mum' on Obama birth 'certificate'
Thanks, Fractal Trader. A lot of good comments in this thread. Note # 111, too.
Posted on 12/29/2010 7:06:53 AM PST by jdoug666
Although Hawaii's newly elected Democrat governor, Neil Abercrombie, has recently given a flurry of high-profile media interviews condemning "birthers" who question Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility to occupy the Oval Office, suddenly he is declining to answer a few hard questions.
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You and me understand the underlying goal of Marxism is for it to become the new god—with the Marxist elites (priests and priestesses) decreeing what the proletariat eats, where it is housed and what they must do to support the Marxist state.
Sadly, all too many people have absolutely no idea where we’re coming from. I never talk about this with the undereducated and over propagandized average American. I just focus on the left’s circular arguments and non-sensical talking points.
IMHO it will take time to undo what the Marxists achieved in the last 60 or so years: 1. Coopt unions. 2. Coopt education. 3. Coopt the USSC. There currently may be a conservative majority on the court, but the damage of past leftist majorities still plagues us today. 4. Coopt the media. 5. Coopt religious leadership. 6. Coopt financial industry leadersdhip. 7. Coopt the GOP.
The task to take on all these levels of rot is overwhelming for any individual. But it can be taken on one issue and one person at a time. Whereas I used to shy away from political discourse with Marxists or useful idiots I now challenge them when ever and where ever.
I also believe there must be a coherent strategy—and tactics—developed and implememted on a national scale to effectively take on and defeat the left. Simply voting is not enough. We’re in a fight for the survival of Constitutional America.
So far, I’ve not seen any entity that is dealing with that necessary task. The Tea Parties have not taken the next step beyond supporting local Constitutionalist candidates. The movememnt is composed of a number of individual entities calling themselves Tea Parties. But there is currenty no overarching organization giving direction to that Movement.
Outfits like the National Heritage Foundation are great at producing erudite documents explaining the Constitution. Of course, they also provide a lot of information that can be used to rebut the left. But I have seen no conservative organization that is coordinating all the things that must happen to defeat Marxism.
The left achieves its 15 minutes of fame by being better organized than its opposition. This is what enables it to take advantage of all crisises—real, created and imagined—to advance its agenda. To the left everything—even the weather—is political. Other than Palin, I see no other conservative—much less Pubbie RINO—that understands that fact.
BOzo should not be allowed back on the mainland without his birth certificate.
Interestingly, the new governor's links to the controversy go way back.
Abercrombie claims to have seen baby Obama in Hawaii
Although he has acknowledged he was not present at the still-unidentified hospital in Honolulu to witness Obama's birth, Abercrombie long has claimed he socialized with Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham Obama when Barack Obama Jr. was yet a baby.
"Maybe I'm the only one in the country that could look you right in the eye and tell you, 'I was there when the baby was born,'" Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune in an attempt to provide personal testimony to buttress the argument Obama was born in Hawaii as he has long claimed.
Abercrombie was a graduate teaching assistant in sociology at the University of Hawaii when Barack Obama Sr. arrived in 1959 from Kenya to enroll as the first African-born student in the university's history.
The problem with Abercrombie’s testimony is that Barack Obama Sr. and his wife, Ann Dunham, did not live together as man and wife with their baby son as Abercrombie claims to have witnessed.
WND has published transcripts from the University of Washington in Seattle that prove Ann Dunham was enrolled in extension classes there, across the Pacific, within three weeks of the baby's birth.
WND further has documented Ann Dunham's Seattle address in authoritative Seattle street directories from the period and interviewed Barack Obama Jr.'s babysitter in Seattle to further document the presence of Ann Dunham and her baby in Seattle, not Hawaii as Abercrombie has claimed.
WND also has reported that the address used in the two Hawaii newspapers in 1961 announcing the baby's birth was 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in Honolulu, an address maintained by Ann Dunham's parents, Madelyn and Stanley Dunham.
In August 1961, when Barack Obama Jr. was born, Barack Obama Sr. maintained a separate address on 11th Avenue, in Hawaii.
There is no documentary evidence that Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham ever lived at the same address together as man and wife.
Moreover, university transcripts from the University of Washington and the University of Hawaii demonstrate that Ann Dunham remained in Seattle, fully enrolled in university courses, until she returned to Hawaii in 1962 to re-enroll in the University of Hawaii after Barack Obama Sr. had left Hawaii to attend graduate school at Harvard in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
Interesting.... Where is the MSM? As well as in the 1960's father's much less friends of the family were not a part of the birth process. No matter what, this man saying he was there much less he heard of the birth at such n such hospital is a lie and not proof even if it were true. Mowie Wowie said she heard Obama was born when she was smokimng Mowie Wowie on the beach is the same as this guys claim..
SNIP
It was just last week that Abercrombie himself injected new urgency into the ongoing controversy over Obama's birth certificate when the Star Advertiser reported the governor has been talking with the state attorney general's office and the director of the state Health Department to see how he can bypass Hawaii's privacy laws and release more information about whatever Obama records exist there.
The governor of Hawaii claims the records are sealed in accordance with Hawaiian law, intended to prevent identity theft. Obama had them sealed.
Bypass Hawaii's privacy laws? It was reported that Obama inacted the fraud protection act and had his Hawaii records sealed.
No matter whether Hawaii sealed them or Obama. OBAMA CAN UNSEAL THEM.
Remember Obama's granny?
THE BALL IS IN Abercrombie’s court.
Explain this
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
And factcheck.SorosOwned.orgs won’t suffice; it is weak.
Explain the above link please. It was shown to me that it was indeed archived and real. Prove it is not.
I agree with your postings, re: Obama's eligibility, but you just threw out a charge that you're going to have to back up.
bushpilot1 has been posting at FR since October 06, while you've been here since July of 2010. Want to tell us what your former FR handle was?
Oh and anybody that dares to question this is labeled with a name so go ahead and call me a birther and take away my birthday while you’re at it.
My question is this. Obviously there was no intent to believe this mixed race child would one day run for President so they had to preserve the citizenship, and his mother doesn’t strike me as the type to really care too much about citizenship one way or the other.
Is the belief of some that he was born in Kenya before she could make it home, they put an announcement in the paper that he was born and then they applied for paperwork after she arrived in Hawaii? The grandparents were concerned about the appearances?
I guess what I’m asking is this, if one accepts he might have been born in Kenya, what exactly happened in Hawaii and why?
Example: If I am born an NBC, and I then go to Canada, renounce my citizenship, am I still a Natural born citizen? No.
So logic must show that there are issues once a second citizenship is acquired, either at birth or after birth, as the value of the clause was intended for keeping the presidency from the hands of a foreign interest or claims.
Their logic eviscerates the intention of the Constitution, therefore it is unconstitutional. An anchor baby is not a NBC. Obama is not an NBC.
That 0bama is ineligible because his father was British or Kenyan...would be an excellent argument, except:
Chief Justice Roberts swore him into office.
Now, I realize that’s an argument from authority, but you have to admit the CJ is a grand authority.
Many libs might refuse to be interviewed by conservative journalists. I would not read too much into this, unless he refuses to speak any further to anyone.
Well said. I think he renounced in Indonesia.
Oh and just an open thought to all I am a placenta not a birther as I always had common sense and was not just the after birth.
My daughter is a died in the wool communist who voted for Obama. I told her during the election in 2008 that Obama might be an Indonesian citizen. She told me point blank, that that makes him even more desirable as a president for her. She hs also told me that Mao had very good ideas that we should emulate.
Those who want to destroy the constitution favor a president who is compromised by his allegiance by citizenship. I have seen them express joy in this fact.
The treatise is arguably the best source for what would have been founders’ intent in using that specific phrase. The people who wrote the constitution didn’t append a definition of their own.
But what if CJ is off the hook as it all started when Pelosi certified Obama.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=207197
This is all too crazy as Chrissie said, why doesn’t Obama just UNRELEASE the proof?
Hawaii guv suddenly 'mum' on Obama birth 'certificate'
Thanks, Fractal Trader. A lot of good comments in this thread. Note # 111, too.
In any event, Vattel didn't write in English so didn't use the specific phrase "natural born citizen".
Right on. WND writes yellow journalism.
Its hard to get the toothpaste back in the tube!
You raised a Communist? WTF?
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