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As if Barack Obama gives two hoots in Hell about the US military.
1 posted on 12/18/2010 10:33:12 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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No worries, it will be solved.

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28 posted on 12/18/2010 11:56:46 PM PST by digital-olive
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People who engage in homosexual acts demean their bodies and have no honor or character. That is what the homosexual muslim in the white house wants.

He wants a military devoid of morality—like the homosexual Nazi Brownshirts (and Hitler who also had a sexual perversion as do a lot of serial killers such as Dahmers, Gacy, etc.

He wants to recreate Pagan Rome and Greece or the homosexual ancient Japanese armies. He wants to destroy the US.

The best way to do that is destroy the moral character of the servicemen—to make them like the Nazis and the inhumane Russian (atheist) military.
Patton loathed the inhumanity of the Russians.

It is the Christian paradigm that made our military the best in the world and the most humane in the history of all armies. No other army has been as great.


33 posted on 12/19/2010 12:50:47 AM PST by savagesusie
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One thing that never gets mentioned is that of the 17000 discharges the homosexual agenda crowd constant bemoans, almost 100 percent of those are people who came forward and submitted a request to be discharged. What gets even less press is that almost 100 percent of those requesting discharge are either facing a pending deployment or, in the case of the Navy, about to wash out of the nuclear power program and get sent to the fleet as “nuclear waste” a fate most wish to avoid. You will now see a spike in people claiming drug use or actually doing drugs to get out. What made the homosexual discharge so appealing is that the DD-214 said “honorable discharge”


36 posted on 12/19/2010 1:57:14 AM PST by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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Well one of the reasons most young men join the combat corps is because generally its a place where you can be yourself - a heterosexual man. I know there is no way in hell I would have joined the Army when I was younger if I would have had to share barracks etc with homosexuals.

So now homosexuals can watch their fellow soldiers get naked. They can interrogate enemy troops. They can now do all manner of things.

It is obviously a disgrace. Not just for the USA but all nations that have embraced similar laws.


40 posted on 12/19/2010 3:14:20 AM PST by gareththomasnz
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I served 20 years and retired from the Army. Never had a problem with gays personally, and thought most were competent team players that I found out about. However, there were several very quiet court martial's of prominent gays (high ranking individuals) who used their rank and power to rape lower ranking individuals under their supervision. The worst case was for 27 counts and involved his wife suducing unsuspect drunk guys while the perp went out to obstensively buy more alcohol during football games. In all cases these people were predators, in the sexual sense and enjoyed rape or a form of professional blackmail where one feared damage to their career as motival for keeping quiet. The fear of showering or consentual sex is not what people dislike - it is the rather overt nature, the strong sexual orientation whreby sex is the primarly focus of one's being that worries most folks who have to deal with gays.

Here in the State Department, gays have a perch from which they are untouchable. Once they have tenure they can be incompetent and still use complaints and character assination of people they don't like through EEO. The problems they create are one of fear in the ranks by straights where we dare not cross them - for they are militant, petty and mean when angered and use all form of weapons, e.g., rumors and EEO. Again at State our expierence is different, we have people who walk about like Hollywood Hair Dressers, flaunting their sexuality, mocking the normal sense of sivility that would be considered professional non-sexual conduct; they can do this specifically because we make an exception. We avoid confrontations, and tip toe in the closeted sense around gays trying not to offend them (being a Republican is an offense in the political correctness sense here in the Department and being an R indicates you are against Gays in liberal circles).

But there is one bigger problem is one in which the State Department has fostered a situaiton where they have a category of family member called Member of Household (MOH). An example of the MOH benefits can be drawn from the fact we have here at State Department Post an openly homosexual junior foreign service officer living with a Brazilian male; the office is shortly going to deploy to a combat zone and during his one-year absence (prior to gong to his follow-on assignment), his MOH boyfriend will continue to live in government leased housing (about $130K a year), be entitled to employment as any other family member, etc. Straight orientated foreign service officers are not giveng these "rights" for hetro different sex boyfriends or girlfriends, and I think this another form of charity the Country cannot afford. While my wife is friend's with this MOH as he is literally one of the girls and a likeable person, it is the financial angle to which most object - where is the line item funding for this from the Congress and Senate (or is this another unfunded obligation?).

My objection to gays openly service can be initially touched upon in the paragraph above, but there one other area that concerns me as well. That is the consideration that we have an Islamic block at the UN or within the world about 67-69 nations in one religous group where being openly gay is a crime in their nations and we send Openly Gay Diplomats (in the future Gay Military personnel). Do these nations and the adherents of Islam see the West and America once more as a decadent perverse society that by our very essence seeks to offend the pure? If we cannot deal with very question within our government and society, have we the right to export our morality or lack there of, into other societys? I do not see this as sending a Black Mayor from Atlanta (Andrew Young) to an Apathid South Africa for we were allied with a Deklerk Government, but rather in just this one instance of Islam at a stage of religious intollerence by those so inclined. So based on this one situation alone I beleive it is within the rights of Nations to reject our diplomate/politicians and military from interaction with their society's on the basis of religious and legal grounds. Were these nations to arrest and/or expulse from their country's openly gay diplomats, or refuse military assistance it would make our diplomacy and protective umbrella unable to deal with today's negotiations or tensions.

I could go on but one can get the sense there is more to this issue lurking below the surface.

I am curious where many FISCAL conservative's stand on the Entitlements the State Department is throwing money at to allow FSOs to have lovers live in hosing they are not occupying, or the fact that gays can now compete against wifes/husbands and they do complian through EEO when their lovers are not hired as the best qualified.....

It is my belief that we can ill afford the "trail by fire" in the diplomatic arena and we definitely cannot afford the "unfunded obligations" Hillary has imposed at the Department of State NATION-WIDE.

41 posted on 12/19/2010 3:20:13 AM PST by Jumper
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It's going to be hard to deal with the disciplinary issues. We're talking young people in their late teens and twenties, who already think with their glands too often.

This is going to be 1) more of an impact than the Obama Administration thinks it will, but 2) less than a total disaster, because the military will, out of sheer desperation, find ways to punish sexual harassment and intimidation — but only if they are reported.

I do expect DADT to be re-instituted in the Palin Administration.

42 posted on 12/19/2010 3:23:22 AM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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QUESTION NOT ASKED:

Now that our military has "embraced" gays and transgenders, military medical care can look forward to the trangender precedents established in prison medical care . In fact will it not be even easier for by radical left lawyers & their cohort judges & politicians to force trangender nedical care down the throat of the military than it was to do so for the prisons?

This means the military will be paying for trangendering soldiers hormone theurapy and even surgical modification.

And unlike prison - where few would intentionally be incarcerated so that the public can pay for this cost - many trangenderers will join the military just to have this paid for.

46 posted on 12/19/2010 3:44:29 AM PST by drpix
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theurapy = therapy
47 posted on 12/19/2010 3:45:36 AM PST by drpix
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Look for a lot of recruits from San Francisco enlisting to get gender bender modification surgery free of charge.


49 posted on 12/19/2010 4:04:31 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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They have created another class of soldier who “must” be promoted and “can't” be disciplined. It was rampant in the 70’s with minorities. You CANNOT hide the truth from your troops and if you try you will pay the price, with interest.
56 posted on 12/19/2010 4:19:55 AM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US Government to Kill Commies. Now ain't that irOnic?)
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Damn those ****ing seven “republicans” who fell in line with the dems.

A strong GOP Senatorial leader, which doesn’t exist in McConnell, would have helped keep Republicans in line.

One thing I will give the liberal side is they NEVER quit. They fight... and fight.. and fight until they defeat us.


57 posted on 12/19/2010 4:23:29 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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From Hasan to this, the undocumented Kenyan Imam Obama,
who lied to be POTUS, has reveled in his wins.

Obamas goal, like the DNC, is the utter destruction
of America.


59 posted on 12/19/2010 4:37:26 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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It is part of Odumbo’s Master Plan - Weaken the US - What do you expect from a communist sympathizer. He paid big money for the Reid’s, Pelosi’s,(election), Brown (Rhino), Collins, (rhino), Snowe(Rhino) votes. he made more promises to Brown, Collins and snowe. Where do you think the 13 trillion dollars that is missing is going for it is Obama’s Stash of cash to buy votes and buy politicians.

Brown from Massachusetts stated he would vote with the Dumbocrats. What do you expect from a guy whom possed for a magazine? He is a POS.


60 posted on 12/19/2010 4:44:45 AM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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Give it 2-3 years - they will have PINK TANKS!!! Believe it! Wait till the Army has Gay Pride day!


68 posted on 12/19/2010 4:59:21 AM PST by 2harddrive
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No,. you need SEPARATE showers and dressing areas for EACH homosexual. If they are allowed to dress and shower together, it will turn into a raunchy gay bathhouse scene! Whereas heteros of the same sex are NOT attracted to each other, so they CAN be housed together, unlike gays.


70 posted on 12/19/2010 5:02:55 AM PST by 2harddrive
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The gay recruits' loyalty cannot be questioned, most are steadfastly dedicated to the gay agenda.

The lucrative Civil Rights industry, Gay division, likely has a social engineering campaign worked out years ago to advance the universal gay agenda using the liberal/progressive and MSM hatred of the U.S. military.

"Hot damn! DoD on the lam!"

There will be tens of thousands of harassment claims against the Services and daily harassment of the Services by liberal/progressive organizations and the MSM.

Those of us who remember the Marxist-Alinsky street/campus revolutionary rabble of 1960s know what mau-mauing means. It will be a nightmare.

"Bring it all down, man."

74 posted on 12/19/2010 5:16:45 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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In Virginia, we now have Senator “Sodomite Jim” Webb. Trying to restore the Navy to “rum, sodomy, and the lash”. This will not be forgotten in 2012!
76 posted on 12/19/2010 5:21:30 AM PST by RedEyeJack
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There will literally be blood on the hands of those who voted for the repeal of DADT for front-line troops. The degradation of troop readiness and the corrosive effect on unit cohesion and the chain of command will provide aid to the enemy.

The repeal of DADT will also lead to a more radicalized, social engineered military that would support Obama far more than the current military.

78 posted on 12/19/2010 5:39:07 AM PST by Truth29
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It won’t be long, I suspect, before the left starts complaining that aren’t “enough” gay officers and senior NCOs, or that x percent of flag officers have to be gay, etc.


79 posted on 12/19/2010 5:42:23 AM PST by hitkicker
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Upon his signature President Obama will begin a process that will at the very least disrupt operations, and at the very worst see the eventual weakening of our armed forces.

Nope! I may be the consumate optimist...but I firmly believe that all it means is that every last gay in the military now will lose his job! The poster child of Democrat legislation that 'creates unemployment'! ALL Democrat legislation now on the books has created unemployment! We need to start a pool on what century the Dims will notice!

81 posted on 12/19/2010 5:44:02 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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