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A Better Primary System?
Vanity | rwrcpa1

Posted on 12/02/2010 10:00:19 AM PST by rwrcpa1

Is anyone else here irritated that the small states of Iowa, New Hampshire, and North Carolina basically get to choose our nominee for us? By the time we have our primary in Texas, all of the candidates have dropped out except for the guy whose turn it is, ie Juan McCain.

Why couldn't the primary system be changed to where there were regional primaries? Divide the country into geographical regions. Each geographical region could take their turn being first every four years. The next time it would be last.

Northeast- From Maine south to Virginia, west to West Virginia and Pennsylvania 135 electoral votes

South- North Carolina south to Florida, all the gulf states, Arkansas and Oklahoma 136 electoral votes

Midwest-Ohio south to Tennessee, west to Kansas, Nebraska and the Dakotas 143 electoral votes

West - Montana south to New Mexico, and all states West, including Alaska and Hawaii. 124 electoral votes

538 votes total (2008 electoral map)

Each region has large states:

Northeast - New York and Pennsylvania South - Florida and Texas Midwest-Illinois and Ohio West - California

Start the primaries March 1 and have one every 6 weeks. The last primary would be 8/15 just in time for the conventions.

Infinitely more fair to the states than the current system.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2012; chat; election; primaries; vanity
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1 posted on 12/02/2010 10:00:24 AM PST by rwrcpa1
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This is in the hands of the party leadership. Since they do not through down the gauntlet on each state’s party leadership from leapfrogging over other states, we get very liberal candidates with big leads that are hard to overcome. This is one reason why we keep getting RINOs as the nominees as of late.


2 posted on 12/02/2010 10:03:17 AM PST by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: frogjerk

Yeah, that is my point.


3 posted on 12/02/2010 10:04:26 AM PST by rwrcpa1 (Let freedom ring!)
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To: frogjerk
through throw
4 posted on 12/02/2010 10:04:49 AM PST by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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New Hampshire isn't going to give up their first in the nation primary no matter what. When I was a boy, they held it sometime in March. Every time somebody moved theirs earlier, New Hampshire just made theirs earlier still.

If the political parties wanted to erase this advantage, all they would need to do is create a formula which awards states more delegates for holding their primary or caucus dates later. Don't hold your breath on that happening.

5 posted on 12/02/2010 10:05:55 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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The party leadership has to understand that the base is more conservative than what is coming out of the current primary system and adjust accordingly. But since the RNC is headed by a RINO wimp we will continue to get that result until someone more competent and conservative is leading the party.
6 posted on 12/02/2010 10:07:02 AM PST by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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How annoying that the author does not even know the three states in question. It is Iowa, New Hampshire and SOUTH Carolina. STUPID JOURNOLIST!!! I am sick and tired of these dumb a$$es getting paid big bucks for being stupid.


7 posted on 12/02/2010 10:09:37 AM PST by napscoordinator
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I’ve in the past proposed a different system that I think would be more effective. The actual quantitative measures would need to be hammered out by people with a lot more experience and data than I have, but the basic idea is:

1) Republican candidates should be chosen by “Republican” states, and more so, states that are “actively Republican”. This means devising a metric to ranks states by the relative rise and fall of the strength of Republicans in that state over recent election cycles. The most “trending Republican” states would get the earliest primary/caucus dates.

2) The earliest primary or caucus should always be a smaller state. This would allow candidates without humongous bankrolls to at least have a chance at being competitive early on, which can seed the necessary funding for later. A large state should be in play early, to show the ability of a candidate to demonstrate strength and efficiency of organization.

3) The first few primaries/caucuses should be as geographically diverse as possible, ensuring that candidates have to address a relatively wide base of the country.

4) No “open primaries”. Primaries are for registered GOP members only; any state that prevents this goes to the back of the line for scheduling.


8 posted on 12/02/2010 10:10:51 AM PST by kevkrom (De-fund Obamacare in 2011, repeal in 2013!)
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Open primaries suck too. I don’t want registered DemonRats selecting the candidate.


9 posted on 12/02/2010 10:12:14 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Vigilanteman

I’m not.

The only way to get this changed is if some of the larger states, such as California, Texas and Florida forced a change. The west and the south hold 50% of the electoral vote. Iowa, New Hampshire and North Carolina hold 6 of the electoral vote.

I know the primary system is up to each state, so I don’t know how this could ever be accomplished. But it would be more fair.


10 posted on 12/02/2010 10:12:39 AM PST by rwrcpa1 (Let freedom ring!)
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To: napscoordinator
It was a vanity by antoher Freeper.

How much do you get paid for posting rude and uninformed comments?

11 posted on 12/02/2010 10:13:34 AM PST by fml
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To: rwrcpa1

Do it the right way, all primaries on one day.


12 posted on 12/02/2010 10:16:13 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: napscoordinator

Hey, naps, this is a vanity post. I couldn’t remember if it was north or south. South is even worse, it has only 8 votes versus 15 for North.

And you misspelled journalist. That’s two for you and one for me.


13 posted on 12/02/2010 10:16:21 AM PST by rwrcpa1 (Let freedom ring!)
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To: central_va

I second that.


14 posted on 12/02/2010 10:17:55 AM PST by rwrcpa1 (Let freedom ring!)
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To: kevkrom

Your idea has merit. The only problem I see is that I believe most states have both parties primaries on the same day.


15 posted on 12/02/2010 10:19:21 AM PST by rwrcpa1 (Let freedom ring!)
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To: Ratman83
Do it the right way, all primaries on one day.

Absolutely not. That will ensure that only megabucks candidates ever get a shot.

16 posted on 12/02/2010 10:19:46 AM PST by kevkrom (De-fund Obamacare in 2011, repeal in 2013!)
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To: rwrcpa1

Do all the primaries on the same day-—just like the election.

That would stop all the back-door dealing, also.

Hold them all on 2nd Tuesday of August.

No ‘early voting’. No games.


17 posted on 12/02/2010 10:19:52 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: fml

I’ll bet he gets paid double what I got paid for starting the post.


18 posted on 12/02/2010 10:20:58 AM PST by rwrcpa1 (Let freedom ring!)
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The 2008 convention proposed an “Ohio Plan”, consisting of three primary dates: one for the “traditional” beginners like Iowa and NH; one for small states, then one for big states.

The plan wasn’t adopted. I’m not sure of its merits, but it has to be better than the current system that encourages a media coronation after South Carolina.


19 posted on 12/02/2010 10:24:52 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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This has long been my gripe. The GOP POTUS candidates are chosen by the most liberal of GOP states.

Be sure Texas would vote for the same candidates as New Hampshire!

This is how the "elites" stay in charge. It will only change when people get involved in the party politics from the precinct up choosing the state delegates and having input as to when the primaries are held.

The "country clubbers" are in charge in Texas...at least the last time I went to a state convention... about 12 years ago. They are the group thinkers with Barbara Bush.

20 posted on 12/02/2010 10:27:44 AM PST by lonestar
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