my bank has a no guns logo on the door, what they don't know about never bothers them...
Posted on 11/20/2010 7:12:25 AM PST by marktwain
Kind of a long read but I like to be as accurate as I can be. I hope you enjoy.
I have been going to the same branch of US bank here in Henderson for about a year now. I know all the tellers there pretty well. I have a business account with them along with a personal account. One of the tellers there (lets call her Jane) has made some comments in the past about me open carrying. Things along the lines of "I didn't know you could go into a bank with a gun". I'm old school when it comes to banking, especially with the business account and I go to the bank about twice a week (yes I know I should do it online but I like a paper trail). She is the only one who has ever come off somewhat negative about be OC'ing.
A few days ago I showed up with some checks to deposit and got Jane as my teller. She informed me that they would be having some big wigs in next week for a bank wide audit and that I will be asked to not OC in there because I am breaking federal law since all banks are considered federal land since they are FDIC insured.I asked if she was certain about that to which she replied "yes I know for a fact that it is against the law"..um it took me about 30 seconds to wrap my head around what she had just said.
I try very hard to be polite and mellow when I OC but what she said really hit a nerve for some reason. So this is how I responded. I asked her to pull up my account to take out $1000.00 and for her to take $1000.00 from her account. I then said that we would go to the DA's office or to the police station the next day and if she or any government agency or worker could point to a law on the books stating that OC'ing in a private bank was in and of itself illegal I would give her the $1000.00 if not I would get her $1000.00.
She paused for a second clearly flustered at my offer and said she declined. She then stated that well maybe it wasn't against any law but it was without a doubt corporate policy. I then asked her if she had a copy of the corporate policy in the bank. She said she didn't.
The next day when i got to work I did some searching trying to get in writing where US bank stands on the issue. After a few phone calls I had a customer service rep tell me that it was against the law in the state of Nevada to enter a bank with a gun.. /facepalm. I then asked if he could confirm corporate policy on the issue. After a few minutes on hold he returned to say that i could not OC because of security issues. I asked if he could fax or email this to me along with him name and signature. He declined but promised to have someone call me in the next couple days.
My father went to the bank tonight to transfer my sister some cash for college and Jane was working. He informed her I was trying to get a hold of corporate to confirm her statements. He was kinda making a scene about it laughing with the other tellers asking them if they knew what their policy was. She backed down again telling him that it was not their policy but her personal opinion because she had seen a customer in line shoot another customer before and it was such a traumatic experience for her that she believes nobody should ever go into a bank with a firearm.
Maybe I should have handled it a little nicer but like I said before, when someone tells you that you cannot exercise your fundamental inalienable Rights, I tend to get a little pissed off. I mean, what if she had said I could not wear a cross around my neck, or a t-shirt with a political statement on it? Anyways just another random OC encounter for you guys to read.
Update
I got a call from Russ yesterday. He has worked their for 30 years and is in charge of security here in Vegas. I told him what had happened and he was cringing on the phone when I told him about her law skills. He said the official corporate position is to "prefer" customers not openly carry. A teller should NEVER mention the firearm especially in a negative light and to also refrain from passing off any opinions as fact or law, or to engage in politically hot topics while other customers are in line. If a teller has any concerns she should call security AFTER the customer has finished his business, to discuss any legal matters. Russ was very helpful. He stated he was pro gun and apologized for the tellers actions.
After work I went to the store to grab some food and walked by the bank and figured I would engage her in conversation again. I told her I had spoken with Russ but did not mention any names. She said she knew Russ and he was a cool guy. She said she would not have cared if I said her name because she KNEW she did nothing wrong! Christ on a stick, this chick "KNOWS" a lot of things! Anyways I started reading from their handbook about not engaging in political talk or matters of law to customers. She started getting a little pissed off and defensive at this point. She then said "well I know it is corporate policy to help customers even if they have a gun, but I have the right to refuse service if I am uncomfortable and make you wait for another teller!" /facepalm
I come along these types of people all the time. The God complex mentality of "I AM NEVER WRONG!" I could push the issue even more and maybe get her fired or at least written up. I won't do that for a couple reasons. I think she has learned her lesson and won't be saying anything to an OC'er in the future and the other reason is now she has to see me OC every time I get groceries and do some banking!!
Oh, yeah, it's just the 2nd Amendment RIGHT that people like to trample on and/or ignore.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Great story! Your persistence paid off very well.
you are making no sense what so ever. clearly she has learned nothing. all you have taught her is that she can get away with lying to you, and you(the putz) won’t do a thing about it. Neither will the bank. Not only that, you keep bringing them your business. The bitch needs to be written up or in the very least scolded by her superior while in your presence.
What can be added to a great story that’s more about a guy with a spine than the bully with curls. Good for you. Albeit, drop the blasphemy next time in an otherwise awesome account.
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For Miss Jane's further edification, the relevant federal statutes are as follows:
Title 18, United States Code, U.S. Criminal Code
PART I, CHAPTER 13, §ection 242:
Deprivation of rights under color of law
§ 241. Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both;
and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
Jane and Russ may both wish to discuss the following applicable federal law as well:
Title 18, United States Code, U.S. Criminal Code
PART I, CHAPTER 13, §ection 241:
§ 241. Conspiracy against rights
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
It appears Miss Jane may be purchasing a really nice Christmas present this year. Or alternately, you can just bring a lawsuit against the bank under Title 41, Section 1983
“I suppose these same people would tell you that Women or Blacks can’t vote in Vegas?”
It’s corporate policy. Didn’t you know that? LOL
My disagreement with you is only on emphasis:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Accordingly, such infringements are treasonous.
I really enjoyed this read. What an inept know-nothing. She ought to run for office.
You got me. Abstract of Homer Simpson’s head?
my bank has a no guns logo on the door, what they don't know about never bothers them...
Uhhhh...just an observation.....but if she was a “rocket scientist” she wouldn’t be a bank teller.....
Remember, stupid people do not know they are stupid, they pass off arrogance as fact.....
All in all I think you handled this well....
Picard(sp?) face/palm.
The author has a LOT more patience with human stupidity than I do. Kudos!
America is engaged in, as Newt put it, “A battle for the soul of the Republic.”
OC is a significant issue, and when an enemy is identified, neutralize/destroy that enemy.
I suggest a full report of her behavior being sent to the branch president, to the director of corporate headquarters department of human resources and to the CEO of the bank. Ask for a written response as to how the offending employee was dealt with.
Let the nasty thing learn to flip burgers.
If a bank teller tried that with me, I’d go out of my way to have her fired. No one capable of that sort of stupidity, dishonesty and general lack of courtesy should be handling financial transactions for other people.
Probably worked the GOTV effort for Reid.
Rita, your post #5 is far from OK.
Calling a reference to a “God complex” a “blasphemy” only labels you as some sort of religious nut case, and an overly rigid one at that.
Might I suggest a google search of “God complex” which might convince you of the accepted terminology in the society in which you live.
Other than that, welcome to FR.
Happy posting.
PS Have you considered that God may well be better able to understand humans than we can understand God. If so, then there is the possibility that whatever form of God you believe in might be able to understand context? If so, then to use a standard diagnostic term in a context which is not religious just might not be “blasphemy”.
Just a suggestion.
Damn. Why walk into a bank in the first place? Use online banking. If you feel the need to physically be there for whatever reason, use the ‘drive-thru’. By doing so, you could have an AR15 in your car, and wouldn’t have to take any shit from a teller about it.
The writer of the article is probably one of those people I have to wait in line behind for a small eternity while they are standing there writing a PAPER check! Infuriating.
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