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Mark Kirk for Senate (Chicago Tribune Endorsement)
Chicago Tribune ^ | 10/7/2010 | Tribune Editorial Board

Posted on 10/07/2010 8:49:15 PM PDT by Inyokern

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To: BlackElk

You and the Weirdo Caucus can’t elect a dogcatcher to the smallest town in Illinois much less anything of significance. All your raving and lunacy won’t attract the vote of a single sane voter. But don’t let that stop you we need examples of who NOT to listen to or regard with seriousness.


241 posted on 11/16/2010 11:59:53 PM PST by arrogantsob
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To: arrogantsob; BlackElk
You are making no sense.

BlackElk can't be both a DUer AND a Bircher. If you think that BlackElk is the odd duck out in this forum, you should note the following thread (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2419522/posts) , where it is demonstrated that BlackElk, for all of his tenacity and colorful language, has found many friends here who appreciate his contributions.

You can make all the remarks you want, though one you made that was personal in your last remark was impertinent, added nothing to the discussion, and stepped over the line of decent discourse and was reported. No one ever asked you to stop posting. Only a handful of people will see the ongoing contents of this thread. Elk is not going to appear at your door last night, unless you happen to be listed in the Chicago white pages under "A. SOB." And you could likely easily outrun him anyway. If you really were afraid that a "crackpot" like him would appear at your door, you would not respond to each post. If you "cared not for the judgment of whackos," and knew him to be a whacko, you wouldn't continue to reply to everyone of his postings. But you do.

You are making no sense.
242 posted on 11/17/2010 4:50:27 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: arrogantsob; Dr. Sivana; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; PhilCollins
My Congressman is Don Manzullo (in a district formerly disgraced years ago by having John Anderson as its Congresscritter). My State Senator and State Rep are conservative Republicans. I wonder if you can say the same.

Nancyboy was elected by the usual gang of left wing suspects, Demonrat and RINO and DIABLO alike. If you move to Jesse Jackson's district or Bobby Rush's or Jan Schakowsky's, I bet you can "elect" any of them too and none are very far off of Nancyboy's political perversions although each is probably more conventional in behavior than Nancyboy. In 1980, we elected Ronaldus Maximus not only nationally but even in Connecticut.

As you probably define "sane voter," you are probably right that I would not be likely to influence any of the three of them. BUT, conventionally sane voters are much more likely to be influenced.

So we can see your sterling track record as the RINO political guru of our age, where is that resume???? Oh, wait....!

I gather it was you who posted the removed #240. Pity that I did not get to see it.

Who is that "we" you reference in #241??? Is it the imperial we? Or Saul Alinsky, Nancyboy Kirk, Tony Reczko and you??? Is there room for Jailbird Lyin' Ryan? For Judy Baah Baah Tooooopinka? If not, they will be sooooo disappointed.

The usual absence of any specific defense whatsoever of Nancyboy the wonder wimp is noted. How could anyone possibly defend him on a conservative website? Even you seem to know that.

I don't want babies slaughtered whatever NARAL and Planned Barrenhood and Nancyboy may imagine as desirable public policy. I don't want Bruce and Larry's make believe "marriage" recognized or subsidized by law even if Bruce and Larry misconstrue the anus as somehow a sexual organ, even though Nancyboy and the Log Cabin crowd may be sobbing for such. Wars should be won whatever Code Pink and Nancyboy may imagine. Weapons systems should be fully researched, developed and deployed as desirable, not frittered away by obeisance treaties favoring the Russkies, whatever Putin, Medvedev and Nancyboy may prefer. There is an individual constitutional right to keep and bear arms whatever Nancyboy and his zombies may imagine no matter what Dickie Daley, Dickie Durbin, Pat Quinn, Combiners, RINOs and DIABLOS like Nancyboy may imagine. If those views constitute raving and lunacy on your planet or in your galaxy, make the most of it. Here on earth and in the US, those views are known as conservative and, in most places other than corrupt Combine circles, Republican.

243 posted on 11/17/2010 12:45:51 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: arrogantsob

Who are you ?


244 posted on 11/17/2010 1:04:37 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: BlackElk; Dr. Sivana; BillyBoy

While Mark Kirk was a congressman, he said that he opposes all congressional earmarks, but he ensured that the federal government spent money, in our district, for Metra, HUD, Headstart, and local police departments. Therefore, he’s a hypocrite and a liar.

Today, his campaign sent this email, to me:

“Dear Friends:

During our campaign for Senate, I pledged to oppose wasteful spending in Washington, starting with our broken earmark system. Yesterday, we made good on that pledge as I supported the Senate Republican Conference resolution to halt earmarks in the 112th Congress.

While many Congressional funding requests are worthwhile, some do not pass the laugh test. We need serious reforms to ensure the integrity of federal funding. Taxpayers deserve no less. I urge our Democratic colleagues to heed the call of the American people and join our effort to cut wasteful earmark spending.

As you know, I became the first member of the House Appropriations Committee to swear off earmarks in 2008. Before that, I led efforts in the House to cancel funding for the infamous “Bridge to Nowhere.”

Stopping wasteful earmarks is a good first step but we must do more to restore fiscal discipline. I support the line-item veto and the Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution. And I believe we need a new Grace Commission with the authority to trigger an up-or-down vote in Congress on spending cut proposals.

Thank you for your continued support. Together, we will spend less, borrow less and tax less to put Illinois back to work.

Very truly yours,

Mark Kirk
Senator-Elect”


245 posted on 11/17/2010 2:06:39 PM PST by PhilCollins
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To: Inyokern; BlackElk; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; PhilCollins; chicagolady
>> He is against immigration amnesty and supports completing the border fence and sending more troops to the border. <<

Kirk has now flip-flopped on his "no amnesty" position. Not only that, he was one of fifteen Republicans to vote with the Dems to invoke cloture and advance the amnesty bill to the floor:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/06/20/in-reversal-mark-kirk-now-plans-to-support-immigration-bill

http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-controversy/2013/06/list-of-15-republican-senators-who-helped-democrats-to-advance-the-mega-amnesty-call-each-of-them-and-demand-that-they-vote-no-on-the-final-amnesty-vote-if-they-vote-for-the-final-amne-2462554.html

This comes after Kirk has ALREADY flip-flopped on all the other issues that Inyokern cited as conservative positions where Kirk was "with us" in November 2010:

"favors extending the Bush tax cuts for everyone". Kirk flip-flopped and voted NO on making the Bush tax cuts permannt.

"He is against closing Gitmo" Kirk flip-flopped and voted in favor of a Democrat bill to provide funds to close down Gitmo. (Fortunately Obama seems to be dead in the water on this issue because he can't convince anyone to put the inmates elsewhere)

"As a congressman, he voted against Obamacare and he has indicated that he wants to repeal it." As a Senator, he flip-flopped and said that although he voted against it, it is now "settled law" and he won't work to repeal it, instead he will help the public find out how they can benefit from it.

Just a friendly reminder for all the freepers who helped elect this socialist combiner and told us that he'd be "with us when it counts" and "we'll have his ear".

246 posted on 06/27/2013 2:25:09 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy

Have his ear? Maybe we do and he’s deaf. Epic fail!


247 posted on 06/27/2013 4:32:51 PM PDT by Impy (Bring back the spoils system.)
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To: BillyBoy; BlackElk; Impy; chicagolady

I didn’t know that any freepers voted for Sen. Kirk. Which of them did that?


248 posted on 06/28/2013 4:34:35 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: PhilCollins; arrogantsob

One was screen-named “Arrogant SOB.” He/she/it was not alone. There were others who would also vote for any POS, however bad (like Nancyboy Kirk) so long as such a candidate would be a building block toward a “Republican” Senate Majority (while helping to make the GOP Caucus Obozo Lite) and a safe vote to preserve and protect Muffy’s trust fund.


249 posted on 06/28/2013 1:58:04 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: BlackElk; 1010RD; Inyokern; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; PhilCollins; chicagolady
1010RD is a big Mark Kirk defender on FR as well.

There are many others, although I don't know how many are actually "from" Illinois.

Of course, now that Kirk has betrayed us on amnesty (yet ANOTHER issue where Kirk claimed to be "with us" and THEN voted the opposite way once elected... big surprise), I fully expect Kirk's fan club will flip-flop themselves and retroactive claim it's a "minor issue" and "Kirk never said he was against all forms of amnesty".

They did the same thing way back at the start of his Senate term, where they screamed constantly in November that stopping the lame duck session was "THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE EVER!!!" and that we MUST "SEAT KIRK IMMEDIATELY!", then changed their position 180o degrees in December when their hero Mark Kirk was seated and immediately began providing "bipartisan" support for Obama's lame duck session agenda ("who cares about a food bill?")

Like I said, this guy could sponsor and pass legislation to make Obama president for life, and they'd STILL defend him as long as he has that "R" next to his name.

Meanwhile, on the handful of issues where Kirk was supposed "better" than Alexi Giannoulias, he's broken every last one of them. This guy makes Arlen Specter look conservative.

250 posted on 06/28/2013 8:13:28 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy; BlackElk; PhilCollins; Impy

Kirk’s apostasy is a given, because anyone but an idiot could see his record and those folks he is in bed with. What’s appalling is that in my state of Tennessee, where the Democrat party has completely collapsed (with its sole strength remaining here in Nashville & Memphis), we have two Senators that act like they’re representing a Democrat state.

Lamar! is an imbecile and in the course of a year, moved from 6th most liberal RINO to 4th most liberal. Worse yet, we have no substantive candidate in the hopper to challenge him (and Lamar! swiftly moved to obtain key endorsements of usual Conservatives, so he has them embarrassingly pimping how “Conservative” he is as he moved effortlessly into the liberal realm (or at least remaining VERY silent with respect to criticisms)). It is disgusting.


251 posted on 06/28/2013 8:31:11 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
True, Tennessee's Senators are embarrassment and those RINOs have no business representing TN, especially considering that the RAT party is so weak (as you noted) just about any conservative could win a Senate election in a walk.

TN's senate duo would win the prize for the most out-of-touch with the values of their state, if it weren't for Alaska's duo taking the cake.

Unfortunately, as I told Impy, the Mark Kirk apologists giving their usual "we should only go after RINOs in RED states" BS will ignore their own rule, and any RINO in a "safe state" who is low-key and quiet will avoid a primary challenge and coast to re-election.

252 posted on 06/28/2013 11:49:03 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy; BlackElk; Inyokern; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; PhilCollins; chicagolady

Billyboy, you’re a liar. I defend, not Kirk, who is way to the left of me, but reality. You lose your way. According to the ACU, Kirk is literally ten times better than Durbin.

Let me spell is out to you:

Kirk is measurably better than the Democrat alternative, but only an imbecile would believe that he’s a conservative.

That BlackElk voted for Giannoulias and that you pine for him as Kirk’s alternative under the patently uber-stupid belief that you can expect Giannoulias to ‘betray’ us is beyond words dumb.

Look up the ACU ratings of Kirk and Durbin. If we had two Kirks we’d be better off. If MA, NY, and CA had two Kirks we’d be better off. Think for a change and stop emoting.


253 posted on 06/29/2013 2:00:17 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD; BillyBoy; Impy; PhilCollins; BlackElk

Ah, here comes the Combiner pimp with the same talking points. There’s nothing you won’t defend that execrable fraud Kirk on, is there ? So long as your own nest is feathered, it’s all good. Right, 1010 ?


254 posted on 06/29/2013 11:31:37 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; 1010RD
>> I defend, not Kirk <<

He says, as he defends Kirk's treasonous actions tooth and nail.

>> According to the ACU, Kirk is literally ten times better than Durbin. Look up the ACU ratings of Kirk and Durbin. If we had two Kirks we’d be better off. <<

ACU ratings don't tell the whole story. Newt Gingrich's fan club was gloating about his "100% ACU rating" his final year in office, when in reality the Speaker traditonally doesn't vote on most bills, and he probably got his "100% rating" for voting the "right" way on ONE bill. You can look at Kirk's ratings from various left-wing organizations like Planned Parenthood, the Sierra Club, the Jim & Sarah Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, etc., and his rating is JUST as leftist as the most ardent socialists like Obama, and sometimes even MORE so. Kirk even GLOATED about being rated MOST LIBERAL than Obama by the Sierra Club wackos. I wish I was making this up. Just how liberal do you have to be to legsilate to the LEFT of Obama?

>>> only an imbecile would believe that he’s a conservative. <<

Hmmm. Mark Kirk's campaign, his pals in the liberal media, and his apologists in the GOP establishment have always screamed often and loudly that Kirk is a "FISCAL conservative!!!!!!" Is 1010RD finally admitting that only imbeciles think cap n' traitor Kirk is a "FISCAL conservative"?

>> the patently uber-stupid belief that you can expect Giannoulias to ‘betray’ us <<

Nobody said they expected Giannoulias to ‘betray’ us . The difference between Kirk and liberal Democrat socialists like Giannoulias, Durbin, and Obama, is the latter three don't HIDE their liberal socialist Democrat agenda like Kirk does:

Obama ADMITS on the campaign trail he favors amnesty, then governs that way while in office.

Durbin ADMITS on the campaign trail he favors amnesty, then governs that way while in office.

Giannoulias ADMITS on the campaign trail he favors amnesty, and would have done so in office.

Kirk CLAIMS on the campaign trail he's AGAINST any form of amnesty. Then he does the OPPOSITE once in office.

>> If MA, NY, and CA had two Kirks we’d be better off. Think for a change and stop emoting. <<

1010RD's fantasy about dozens of evil combiner Kirks holding senate seats around the country is downright terrifying. Thinking about that for mere seconds should make any decent conservative ill. The media would LOVE it and run headlines like "Majority of Senate REPUBLICANS now favor gay marriage!"

Man, if there's any scenario where America would be WORSE off than we are now...

255 posted on 06/29/2013 12:23:26 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; BlackElk; PhilCollins

Of course Kirk votes better than Alexi! would have but that’s not the whole story. RINO apologetics 101 ignores how it hurts us to have Republican traitors support leftists on major issues. That’s at least a double edged sword if not downright unproductive.

And there is also a question of degree. Kirk is right there with the worst RINOs. People like Specter, Chafee and Jeffords have already been proven to have zero party loyalty. We don’t need Republicans that liberal in any state. Even if they run in safe rat urban congressional districts, their election wouldn’t help us grow the party in any way, so what’s the point?


256 posted on 06/30/2013 11:12:24 PM PDT by Impy (Bring back the spoils system.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy

Well Lamar hasn’t really “moved” has he, Snowe retired and Brown lost, so he moves up by default. What about Lugar, wasn’t he worse than Lamar!?

Collins, Kirk, Murkowski are the top 3 I assume. The A-level RINOs, but hey let’s elect a bunch more from NY and CA, we’d be “better off”.

Lamar is certainly worse than Lineseed though but oddly enough freepers never talk about getting rid of him because he’s quiet and slips under their radar.s elect a bunch more from NY and CA, we


257 posted on 06/30/2013 11:22:47 PM PDT by Impy (Bring back the spoils system.)
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To: BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; PhilCollins; BlackElk

Perhaps I am wrong. So me how to elect a 100% conservative Illinois Senator. Use real election numbers from the last two elections for Senator.

As a matter of conjecture, do it for the IL House and Senate as well. Use real districts and real numbers.

Ping me when you’ve done it.


258 posted on 07/03/2013 4:18:25 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD; BillyBoy; Impy; BlackElk

We probably can’t elect a 100% conservative to the U.S. Senate from Illinois. We should elect a senator who agrees with at least 55% of the republican platform, but Sen. Kirk doesn’t do that.


259 posted on 07/03/2013 4:24:41 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: 1010RD

IL elected Peter Fitzgerald. Your Combiner buddies couldn’t stand for someone not part of the corrupt bipartisan cabal and he had to be destroyed.


260 posted on 07/03/2013 3:19:23 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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