Posted on 09/29/2010 5:03:01 PM PDT by pissant
After four lawsuits alleging he coerced young males into sexual relationships were filed, Georgia pastor Eddie Long took to the pulpit Sunday to carefully nuance his side of the story.
Long, the charismatic who leads his mega-church of 26,000 members, told reporters after Sunday’s service that he would challenge the allegations. Joined by members of his legal team, he carefully read from prepared remarks — always a sign of innocence.
By now we know how the redemptive process works for a televangelist accused of sexual relations with young males. First there is the allegation. Then there is the carefully worded, non-denial denial in which he says he will “fight the charges.” Then the preacher puts his jet and all the money he has yet to get into the bankruptcy-proof corporate shell he controls. Then his lawyers handle the settlements while the preacher gives lots of ensuing sermons on forgiveness.
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We would have to accept that what the Western world THOUGHT was Christianity was wrong for fifteen hundred years. This would make the Apostles among history's greatest failures.
It’s ludicrous.
The nutjobs have already covered that base. Christianity was underground, driven there by the diabolical Catholic Church. It was not able to get aboveground because satan was vigilent until the early 1500s, when he started chasing virgins or white whales or something and took his eyes off the true Christians (tm). Then, and only then, did Martin Luther and John Calvin (never Zwingli - he was that disturbed uncle that you never talked about at family gatherings) ride in on chariots from Heaven (since God was afraid of satan until the 1500s) and bring Christianity into the light of day.
Or some such...
We would have to accept that what the Western world THOUGHT was Christianity was wrong for fifteen hundred years. This would make the Apostles among history's greatest failures.
We have been instructed by the finest of Reformed apologists that all of the Apostles and even Jesus are irrelevant. The only thing we need to know about Christianity are carefully excised snippets of Paul and Isaiah. As delivered to us by Calvin and the Westminster Confession of Faith.
Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
I do not think that men can have Christ as their Savior unless they know they are sinners in need of a Savior..
Thats why I believe the Holy Spirit needs to convict us of our sins first, then we understand how great our need for a Savior is
Wanna see ludicrous? Try the Reformed version of the Trinity. Apparently God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit all made pacts with each other as to what they were going to do and sealed it all over beers on a Sunday afternoon while watching the New Orleans Saints foorball game (naturally).
That’s absurd. Everyone knows that Jesus drank wine.
Hmmm. That would be quite a sight, wouldn’t it?
Jesus drinks a good hearty vin ordinaire rouge. What would God the Father drink? Perhaps a thousand year old Scotch. Now what would the Holy Spirit drink? Cognac?
And sitting around, planning out the Reformed vision of eternity in wicker chairs on the patio...
What does the guy look like? That’s the only way to tell if he is ‘guilty’ or not. You know, where were the pastors like that when I was growing up? haw haw haw...
I have been definitively told by a FReeper that the Gospels WERE NOT WRITTEN TO CHRISTIANS, that they were written for Jews ONLY.
There are some Reformed churches that go a month or longer with a SINGLE VERSE of the Gospels being read in their Sunday service.
It’s as viable a fantasy as most of the anti-Catholic posts I have seen.
I’ve read some odd posts as well.
Sometimes the RCC crowd attempts to link these circus-like religionists to the message for which the Reformers argued. They associate all non-Catholics as believing the same thing. But, we who hold to the biblical Gospel of Jesus Christ like to periodically remind them that because the grandstanders err on one side, as Catholicism errs on the other, we don't embrace their nonsense any more than we acknowledge the nonsense from Rome.
I've noticed that whenever a prominent Protestant minister is caught, the anti-Catholics immediately try to shift the discussion to Catholic scandals and then declare that the Protestant wasn't a "real" Christian to begin with.
Right, the Catholics did it.
What then accounts for the second post on this thread, a post made by YOU?
More evidence that the “dynamic, Spirit-directed, multi-gifted, prophetic, and excited” men of “god” are just a bunch of Elmer Gantrys on steroids. This junk is no more the Gospel than Catholicism.
NOTHING had been said about Catholicism until YOU brought it up. So, perhaps the "circus-like" attempt was actually YOUR attempt to switch to your beloved anti-Catholicism.
They associate all non-Catholics as believing the same thing.
So, Baptists aren't "real" Christians any more? Is this a recent development or does it only apply to Baptists who happen to be black? (Because THAT wouldn't surprise me at all.)
Where are all the threads posted prior to a couple weeks ago suggesting that Eddie Long isn't a "real" Christian?
You may have a point here. When the lock on "religion" was broken by the Reformation, all kinds of excessive expressions of churchianity began to emerge. Men have a tendency to run amok with everything. Certainly Long did.
I don't catch the "milkmaid" remark, however.
And, it seems that history doesn't actually connect the Roman Catholic Church to Jesus Christ, but Rome may see it that way. Review the docs and notice the turmoil around the grappling for power among the bishoprics until Rome claimed to win. It seems this was in the 300s, not from the Apostles. Then Rome drew its "line" back to Peter and jammed the flag in the ground.
Took a while, but the flag was pulled up at a later date. And I don't recall Luther, Zwingli, or Calvin claiming that their congregations were the only (C)hurch, in contrast to Rome's death rattle. There is no central "Church" now (as there never was), but rather just the Body of Christ universal over all time to include folks all the way back to Adam, Abraham, Moses, et al, elect before the foundation of the world. And there are congregations sprinkled all over the world. Some teach this well, some teach this poorly, and then there are those that don't teach it at all: Long & Rome.
You are a more persistent soul than I. LOL!
LOL
Not surprising, Dr. Luther was talking about people that YOU would consider to be Christians.
And, it seems that history doesn't actually connect the Roman Catholic Church to Jesus Christ, but Rome may see it that way. Review the docs and notice the turmoil around the grappling for power among the bishoprics until Rome claimed to win. It seems this was in the 300s, not from the Apostles. Then Rome drew its "line" back to Peter and jammed the flag in the ground.
Anti-Catholics have been making these bizarre claims for a while, but they've never provided anything that even approaches truth. (And for the record, NOTHING by Lorraine Boettner counts, he doesn't even understand that anti-popes were NEVER popes.)
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