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quote from article: The US government plan is to eventually take ownership of all assets in IRAs and 401K accounts and replace them with US government "Treasury Retirement Bonds." In the October 2008 hearings, it was proposed that these bonds pay a 3% interest rate. Another major change is that, upon retirement, the individual's retirement account would be converted into an annuity.
1 posted on 09/14/2010 5:42:38 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

Go ahead. Make my day.


2 posted on 09/14/2010 5:44:54 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Things will change after the revolution, but not before.)
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To: bestintxas

There will be blood spilled if this happens. Democrats are insane to think this will fly.


3 posted on 09/14/2010 5:45:19 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is sooner or later you run out of other people's money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: bestintxas

Everyone’s 401(k) and IRA do not have any CASH in them.
To get any money at all, the SHARES will have to be sold on the OPEN MARKET to be liquidated.
If the government is THAT STUPID, we’re DOOMED.................


4 posted on 09/14/2010 5:45:50 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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Tada! Suckers. The government workers and employees will loot your arses of $$ if they do not get the pay Zero promised them. Right now treasuries which cannot be paid back are the only thing keeping their salaries and some spending in this economy. After this, it’s IRA and gold and gun confiscation... suckers.


14 posted on 09/14/2010 5:52:55 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrates Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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If it’s revolution we need, I can’t think of a better way to light the fuse on one than to try and seize people’s 401Ks an/or IRAs. I think that might just be the straw that breaks the camel’s back, because people realize those bonds aren’t fit to wipe one’s arse with and that money would be gone forever as soon as the Gubment gets their mitts on it.

As soon as that plan was announced, that 7 Trillion would evaporate overnight as people pull their money out before it is gone, and damn the penalty. Imagine the effect on the Markets if Premier Hussein triggers a panic run on retirement accounts, and people remove even a relatively small fraction of $7 Trillion from circulation and buy gold with it or just stuff the cash in a mattress.

Besides, can you imagine this crew getting their hands on that much liquid cash??!!

This scheme is a one-way ticket to a 4000 (or lower) Dow Jones Industrial Average, and is indeed one very good way to start us on a quick slide down the drain without even a courtesy lap around the bowl first.


15 posted on 09/14/2010 5:52:55 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Now what kind of a geroo are you anyway?)
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Lock and Load

Μολὼν λαβέ

18 posted on 09/14/2010 5:54:12 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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The window has pretty much shut on 0 being able to do this. While he had huge majorities in congress....maybe. But after Nov. 2 it won’t be possible unless he makes a move to ram it through the lame duck congress. I don’t see that happening because the groundwork, the massive propaganda camkpaign to justify it, hasn’t been done yet.


30 posted on 09/14/2010 6:02:59 AM PDT by circlecity
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How many different ways can these bastards steal from us, before they are removed from the equation?

Like many, I just want to be left alone.


31 posted on 09/14/2010 6:03:41 AM PDT by Gator113 (Beauty will devour the Beast in 2012. Kill "Obamamosque"@ Ground Zero)
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I have no doubt that the politicians see the pension and retirement funds as a big pile of cash that's just "sitting there," ripe for the taking. And for those who have IRA CDs, they're sort of correct. But the vast majority of those funds are actually invested in stocks and other securities. In order for the government to steal that money, they would first have to sell those securities on the open market, which would crash the stock market. Who would buy those securities if they know that the government were taking the money?

I suppose that the government could just write IOUs to the companies and tell them that they're the new owner, but again, it would destroy the stock market, and the economy along with it. But then, I guess that's the idea here. Make the USA a "workers paradise" like Cambodia or Cuba.

I guess I'm just not educated enough to ignore the probable consequences of these idiotic actions.

Mark

32 posted on 09/14/2010 6:04:19 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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They better hurry up. If they remain in power there will be nothing left to grab.


34 posted on 09/14/2010 6:05:34 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (counter revolutionary)
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It would be a bloodbath.

One thing I learned years ago: Do not mess with people’s money.

They will stand still for every manner of insult, but mess with their overtime, their pay, their money in any way, and you have a revolt.


35 posted on 09/14/2010 6:05:34 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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5 years ago, I'd have said "Yeah, right. Never happen."

Now, I'm not so sure.

I *do* think that if this comes to pass, that there will be a long line of pols hanging from lampposts.

37 posted on 09/14/2010 6:07:15 AM PDT by wbill
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Also, the balance of said annuity will not be allowed to be willed to your dependents.

You will save all your life, die, and the only beneficiary will be the USG and some crack smoking baby mill whore popping out government dependents for 20 years.

If this happens, there will be blood for sure.


40 posted on 09/14/2010 6:10:06 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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I keep hoping that this is another “slight of hand” that this government is very good at but I have my doubts as they are trapped and trapped Rats react in a nasty manner.

This a move right out of Castro’s and Chavez’s playbook! Do they understand that people WILL be angry, frustrated, scared and stupid enough do do violent acts. People WILL DIE if they try this?


46 posted on 09/14/2010 6:14:00 AM PDT by WellyP
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"Is the government making plans to confiscate your retirement money?"

...being necessary for the security of a FREE STATE, the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED...

They touch my IRA and it's time to invoke the second amendment for its intended purpose.

Maybe this is their October surprise - the civil unrest from such a move would give them cause to cancel the November elections. I think that their ability to legislate in such a situation would be severely compromised.

50 posted on 09/14/2010 6:17:28 AM PDT by meyer (Tax the productive to carry the freeloaders - What is it with democrats and slavery?)
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If you can, put your money in an offshore-bank, and I don’t mean the Swiss. Rather a bank like French Credit Lyonnais or Bank of China in Hong Kong (not China) ie) banks who aren’t afraid to tell the IRS and Treasury to screw themselves.


51 posted on 09/14/2010 6:21:04 AM PDT by PGR88
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In reality, this type of action would be so stupid and could very well unleash a chain reaction that could not be stopped. Any whiff of this type of legislation having a serious chance of passing would cause a run on individual pensions and IRAs and cause a market crash that would make 2008 look like a small downturn.
In the end, with a major drop in the aggregate market’s value, there will be substantially less money for the government to steal.
This type of action would also trigger mass civil disobedience with sky-rocketing tax evasion, capital flight, hoarding of commodities and probable currency collapse. The government would have a difficult time functioning with so much lost revenue.
Et apres, le deluge!


56 posted on 09/14/2010 6:33:29 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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There is NO way this will ever be accepted by the American people! It won’t happen.


59 posted on 09/14/2010 6:41:58 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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I see don’t bother you with facts, you have your feelings and you are clinging to them.


67 posted on 09/14/2010 7:03:34 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is sooner or later you run out of other people's money. Lady Thatcher)
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If they do that it will be blood in the streets.


70 posted on 09/14/2010 7:33:50 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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