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In Support of Westboro Baptist [Dr. Terry Jones "burn a Koran" supports Fred Phelps]
Dove World Outreach Center ^ | April 21, 2010

Posted on 09/07/2010 7:28:57 PM PDT by earlJam

Edited on 09/08/2010 2:27:45 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

In Support of Westboro Baptist

By Fran Ingram - Posted on 21 April 2010

On Sunday April 18, Westboro Baptist Church came to Gainesville. One of their stops was a liberal "Open doors, open hearts, open minds," church near us, so we took part of our Sunday Service time and went as a church to stand with them.

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I have been asked most often in the last days about the 'protests' that Westboro does at funerals.

The arguemant (from very angry people with extremely ugly language) is that their attendance at funerals is offensive and a fallen soldier is NOT a sign of God's wrath.

My answer:

Westboro Baptist is not anti-military or anti-USA. Rather the opposite, actually. Do some research. They go to funerals because the Bible says that a fallen soldier is a sign of God's wrath and a reminder of the condition of this world, a fallen world, in sin. We all know that. None of us want to fight wars. We have to, and we honor the fallen for their sacrifice, but funerals are also a chance to repent and get our lives right with God before our own comes along.

The soldier who is already dead knows what's coming, whether they are in heaven or hell. I think they would be glad for the extra reminder to loved ones that they still have time to make a choice and use the rest of their time given here for God rather than wasting it, in a spiritual sense.


Google cache of the Dove World article in support of Westboro Baptist Protests Against U.S. Military

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In Support of Westboro Baptist


By Fran Ingram - Posted on 21 April 2010

On Sunday April 18, Westboro Baptist Church came to Gainesville. One of their stops was a liberal "Open doors, open hearts, open minds," church near us, so we took part of our Sunday Service time and went as a church to stand with them.

We have also learned that when you speak out about what God hates, you will be hated. We do not agree with all of Westboro's methods, but we admire their determination to find radical ways to preach the truth of the Bible, as we do. Most churches and Pastors in America try to stand on neutral ground. They are lost, weak and sick and need to repent.

Senior Pastor Sylvia Jones wrote on facebook:

Today was a historical day! People who did not know each other with nothing in common but the word of God marching in unity and putting the kingdom first, ahead of everything else! What can be more important than saving people from hell? We must stand on the truth, the word of God instead on finding reasons why we cannot be in unity! Yes we can! We can obey God and save people from going to hell!

 

You can find more pictures on our facebook page here...

I have been asked most often in the last days about the 'protests' that Westboro does at funerals.

The arguemant (from very angry people with extremely ugly language) is that their attendance at funerals is offensive and a fallen soldier is NOT a sign of God's wrath.

My answer:

Westboro Baptist is not anti-military or anti-USA. Rather the opposite, actually. Do some research. They go to funerals because the Bible says that a fallen soldier is a sign of God's wrath and a reminder of the condition of this world, a fallen world, in sin. We all know that. None of us want to fight wars. We have to, and we honor the fallen for their sacrifice, but funerals are also a chance to repent and get our lives right with God before our own comes along.

The soldier who is already dead knows what's coming, whether they are in heaven or hell. I think they would be glad for the extra reminder to loved ones that they still have time to make a choice and use the rest of their time given here for God rather than wasting it, in a spiritual sense.

At DWOC we are also very pro-America, pro-Military, AND super, radically concerned about people's salvation. That's why we go after Islam and say it is of the devil - it is anti-Christian and anti-America. In this liberal world, names and labels get thrown about and twisted at random. Don't we all get angry with the media for preaching half truths which amount to lies?
To my Christian friends, get your Bibles out and read the OT Prophets. They were hated too for speaking God's words of truth, then killed. I would rather be right with God than right with facebook friends. Where are you?

And another answer:

If we lived in a sinless, no devil world, there would be no war. We have chosen sin, there are therefore wars, and we all suffer, we all need to repent. I'm OK with your thinking I am sick, but think about the fact that the Bible is what I am talking about, not my own ideas. Don't you think that a fallen soldier reflects some of what is wrong with the world? Not the soldier but the war itself?

What is the point of not making people angry and uncomfortable in this life if that means they go on, clueless, rebellious, straight to hell. I would have to answer to God for that. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ and to stand with other Christians that preach it truthfully. Did the prophets and leaders in the Bible, even Jesus, did they always peach a nice sweet message? Did they always respect the sensibilities and traditions of the people? Think about it. Read your Bibles, people!

I have a Grandfather that died in WWII.  I am proud of his contribution to that war. But he and my family are Christian and eternal salvation is the most important thing on our hearts. We do not think Westboro are hateful. They point out what God hates, desperate, like the Prophets of old that no one go to hell.

Jesus said, in Matthew 7:13,14

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

That narrow gate is a knowledge of the truth, a fear of God, Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross for your sins, repentance from our sins and wickedness, as we are warned throughout the Bible. This is the hope for you, the hope for your family, the hope for our Nation, for the world.

And yes, if my husband died I would be glad if Westboro would come and hold their signs and sing at his funeral. Many people would be shocked, but they might be shocked into a fear of God and a decision for Christ. How will they know if someone does not tell them?

 



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To: earlJam

God does hate the act of faggin...


161 posted on 09/08/2010 6:50:03 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: earlJam

162 posted on 09/08/2010 6:51:58 AM PDT by takenoprisoner (America's internal axis of evil: Islamist ,Socialist, Marxist ,RINOist.)
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To: earlJam

Figures that a pair of loony-tunes like Phelps and Jones would see eye-to-eye.


163 posted on 09/08/2010 6:52:24 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Biggirl
While in the eyes of the law, the pastor who plans to do this Koran burning has the legal right, on the moral side of the question, should he do it?

If this guy was smart, he would 'symbolically' burn the Korans. After the event was over, send the Korans to the paper recycling center to be shredded. Surely paper recycling isn't AGAINST THE LAW.

A second option is to put a pile of Bibles out next to the Korans,and burn the Bibles. One Bible for each of the 3000 who died on 911. Burn them in HONOR of those who died. Then, send the Korans to the shredder to be discarded as useless trash.

Wouldn't the FEDS just poop their drawers?

Would they tell this church they can't burn Bibles? This is how we beat them at their own game.

164 posted on 09/08/2010 6:54:51 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill informed post.)
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To: CajunConservative
The best solution is to simply ignore them and not feed their need of attention.

Everyone has the right of 'free speech', just as everyone has the right not to listen.

165 posted on 09/08/2010 6:57:11 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill informed post.)
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To: chessplayer
some in here could`nt care less. As long as Jones burns some korans, they are perfectly comfortable with his supporting “God hates soldiers.”

Ugh. I don't get it.

166 posted on 09/08/2010 7:04:01 AM PDT by earlJam
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To: ohioWfan; xzins
That is an extreme statement that doesn't hold water, P-Marlowe.

It does hold water. The point was that politics makes for strange bedfellows.

While those who support the idea of having a Koranic bonfire to commemorate 9/11 happen to be on the same side of this issue with Pastor Jones(who happens to like Fred Phelps), those on the other side of the issue (those that are condemning the burning of the Koran as a "dangerous" or foolhardy act) are actually joining in the chorus with the likes of Obama, Hillary, Eric Holder and basically all the terrorists who have issued death threats against Jones.

Tell me, Ohio, have you seen any media reports which indicate that the FBI or Homeland Security are actually investigating the hundreds of death threats against Jones? What do you want to bet that, if anything, they are actually investigating Jones himself?

167 posted on 09/08/2010 7:05:52 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: xzins
You are hereby nominated to take this exercise over from Pastor Jones who lost his ammo if true that he supported “God hates soldiers.”

Lately all my books are on "Kindle". Which is kinda of an ironic name for a program that puts books on your computer.

168 posted on 09/08/2010 7:08:00 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
If we are going to join in the chorus of those who condemn him for this act, then we have to realize that we are joining in with the likes of Obama, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Osama Bin Laden

Just thought of a question for you, P....

Was U.S. opposition to the Nazis wrong because Stalin also opposed them?

Isn't the reason behind our opposition the crux of the matter, and not the fact that others agree with the opposition for entirely different (and opposing) reasons?

Those of us who oppose this irresponsible act are not in agreement with Osama bin Laden OR Eric Holder.

We are in opposition because of our conservative principles, our understanding of what it means to be Christian and Americans.

I understand that there will be others who have a different take on this, and feel that rights supercede responsibility and discernment, but if we're being completely straightforward about it, then all conservative, Christian Americans should support the Ground Zero mosque for the same reason......should we not?

169 posted on 09/08/2010 7:10:01 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: earlJam

Agreed. And not everyone is getting behind this. A good many freepers thinks its the wrong execution of the right idea, let alone not the best display of Christian principles.


170 posted on 09/08/2010 7:11:03 AM PDT by rintense
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To: P-Marlowe
Tell me, Ohio, have you seen any media reports which indicate that the FBI or Homeland Security are actually investigating the hundreds of death threats against Jones? What do you want to bet that, if anything, they are actually investigating Jones himself?

This is an entirely separate, non-germane issue to the discussion.

However, your insistence that those of us who oppose this act (and consider it actually a violation of 9/11), are "joining the chorus" of terrorists, liars and theives is highly offensive and does nothing for your argument.

See my above question. If we opposed Fascism on principles of liberty, we were not in the same chorus as Stalin who didn't like the competition.

Completely fallacious comparison. Sorry. It doesn't hold water.

171 posted on 09/08/2010 7:15:35 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan; xzins
Book burning is a BAD idea

Why?

It is symbolic. It hurts no one (unless some of the burning ashes land in your eye).

The early Christian church held a public book burning as noted in Acts 19.

FWIW the first public burning of copies of the Koran were done by Muslims in order to purge the Koran of the "Satanic Verses" which supposedly were dictated to Mohammad by Satan instead of by Allah (apparently Mohammad had trouble distinguishing between Satan's voice and Allah's voice [not that there was any difference]).

172 posted on 09/08/2010 7:16:15 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
Acts 19 is not an apt comparison. The early church was led by the Holy Spirit and this was a singular act.

There is nothing in Acts 19 or any other passage of Scripture that supports burning any book you don't like.

173 posted on 09/08/2010 7:19:00 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan; xzins
See my above question. If we opposed Fascism on principles of liberty, we were not in the same chorus as Stalin who didn't like the competition.

Actually we were. We were allied with Russia in WWII. Or did you forget that fact? It didn't make us commies, but it did make us allies in THAT fight.

In this fight you are allied with Obama, Eric Holder and Hillary Clinton. I am allied with Pastor Jones. I don't particularly like any of them. But on this front, my views are closer to Jones than they are to Eric Holder.

174 posted on 09/08/2010 7:20:34 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: ohioWfan; P-Marlowe

I’m awaiting confirmation of the Westboro accusation.

Early on in this CAIR passed misinformation that Jones had had a child porn charge in the past....turned out to be untrue. Does CAIR = Committee Arab Islamic Relations...or something like that.

Either way, the need to burn a host of books, to demonstrate freedom, and among them a koran, is still a good idea.

It’s just paper and ink. We don’t worship the bible. I’d even put a bible in the bonfire to underscore the point.


175 posted on 09/08/2010 7:23:08 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe
Kindle

Rotflol! Hadn't thought of that.

176 posted on 09/08/2010 7:24:04 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: ohioWfan; xzins
Acts 19 is not an apt comparison. The early church was led by the Holy Spirit and this was a singular act. There is nothing in Acts 19 or any other passage of Scripture that supports burning any book you don't like.

Actually the Old Testament is filled with references to burning the sacred items of idolators. The Muslims treat the Koran as a sacred object and not merely as a book. Hence it would be in the same category as an idol. If the Muslims treated it as nothing more than a book, then burning it would not invoke such a visceral response. It is their idol.

FWIW the Christian Church has a loooooooooooooong tradition and history of burning books it didn't like.

177 posted on 09/08/2010 7:25:30 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: xzins
I’d even put a bible in the bonfire to underscore the point.

Let's start with "The Message". Maybe that will send a "Message" to the publishers.

178 posted on 09/08/2010 7:27:17 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: ohioWfan; P-Marlowe
I understand that there will be others who have a different take on this, and feel that rights supercede responsibility and discernment, but if we're being completely straightforward about it, then all conservative, Christian Americans should support the Ground Zero mosque for the same reason......should we not?

Nope, because Islam is not a religion. It's a political movement. The cultic aspects are merely the ruse to establish a despotic regime and, in our case, overthrow the Constitution.

The Constitution, as some famous American said, is not a "sucide pact" in which rights can be finessed to overthrow those same rights.

179 posted on 09/08/2010 7:27:17 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe

I used to think the “Living Bible” was really loose...until I read some of “The Message” one day.

It was awful.


180 posted on 09/08/2010 7:28:15 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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