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To: Theo
When you live in a communal situation, you need to be considerate of your community.

Except, apparently, if you smoke. Then, it's always everybody else's fault if they don't like the smell of your cigarettes. Freedom apparently requires the rest of us to put up with having other people stink up our clothes.

20 posted on 08/31/2010 8:56:57 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb; Theo

This should be up to the owner of the apartments, just as it should be up to the owners of the restaurants and bars.


29 posted on 08/31/2010 9:57:00 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: r9etb; Theo
When you live in a communal situation, you need to be considerate of your community.

Except, apparently, if you smoke. Then, it's always everybody else's fault if they don't like the smell of your cigarettes. Freedom apparently requires the rest of us to put up with having other people stink up our clothes.

Actually no. Freedom means the government doesn't force you to live in any one way.

You don't own an apartment (like you don't own a restaurant, or a business)...and each person FREELY chooses to live there (go there, or work there) or not. If you don't like the immigrants next door who are always cooking with garlic, than, you move.

If you didn't notice them...or the smoker below you, when you signed the lease...well, you learn a lesson in the future to check, and it's not the government's or the landlord's fault.

Simple--instead of forcing others USING COPS WITH GUNS (as government power is always ultimately through force...) to live like you live, you FREELY (no guns involved here) choose carefully who you live around.

Theo and wife did the right--and only--thing that upholds freedom, if it's not your property, you don't make the rules, and if you don't like it for whatever the reason, you move.

After all, since you don't OWN the apartment, you don't have a RIGHT to lease it dictating your own conditions. Conditions for a lease (or a purchase) are AS IS.

I don't like hearing neighbors through walls. So does that mean I make the government force apartment-builders to build expensive-sound proof walls? No....I just find an apartment with thick walls, and or quiet neighbors, or I buy a house.

It reminds me of the new subdivision built near where I used to live in N. Virginia...right next to a rock quarry. The quarry was there 30 years before the subdivision was built, but of course their homeowners association complained at all the truck traffic and dust--when, I'm sorry, THEY FREELY CHOSE TO LIVE THERE! BUYER BEWARE!

Let me repeat: IF YOU DON'T OWN IT, YOU DON'T MAKE THE RULES. (and that applies to government too).

I swear the spoiled baby-boomers will allow REAL fascism to creep in hurting us all--just so they never ever catch a whiff of smoke.

Anyone who doesn't understand the sanctity of property rights in this, and the danger of having government regulate what a person can do in his own home, has no right to identify themselves as CONSERVATIVE, period.

31 posted on 08/31/2010 10:05:11 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: r9etb

We rented the place sight-unseen. When we arrived, the smoke smell from the person below us was nearly intolerable. We hated it, and tried everything to get rid of the smell. We broke our rental agreement after 3 months and moved. It was SO inconsiderate of the cigarette smoker below to ruin OUR experience in our apartment. She had no right to make our lives miserable. And she did make our lives miserable during the 3 months that we lived there.


32 posted on 08/31/2010 10:11:58 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: r9etb
Except, apparently, if you smoke. Then, it's always everybody else's fault if they don't like the smell of your cigarettes. Freedom apparently requires the rest of us to put up with having other people stink up our clothes.

Consideration for others is always a good idea.

To hyper-sensitive smoking nazis, that phrase has no meaning. Banning smoking in parks, on beaches, etc., where no reasonable person could possibly be bothered by smoke, certainly doesn't fit the idea. Are you living in a smoker's front pocket, that smoke is "stinking up your clothes" ?

108 posted on 09/01/2010 2:26:29 PM PDT by jimt
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To: r9etb; Theo

I am no longer a smoker, having finally quit cold-turkey some seven plus years ago, but I am still a POLITICAL smoker, in that I am dead set against stupid laws like this.

NO ONE compels you to live in places which also house smokers. You are fully free to move on. Particularly if the smoker lived there prior to you moving in, you have NO excuses for being unaware that some folks smoke tobacco in the privacy of their own homes. If this is beyond your capacity to deal with, then just move along. Find a place where everyone thinks as you do. Then you can be happy as little clams until you find some other fault in your neighbors. I have seen too many like you. There is always some excuse for you to want to control your neighbor’s behavior. Always.


135 posted on 09/02/2010 9:23:44 AM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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