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To: r9etb; Theo
When you live in a communal situation, you need to be considerate of your community.

Except, apparently, if you smoke. Then, it's always everybody else's fault if they don't like the smell of your cigarettes. Freedom apparently requires the rest of us to put up with having other people stink up our clothes.

Actually no. Freedom means the government doesn't force you to live in any one way.

You don't own an apartment (like you don't own a restaurant, or a business)...and each person FREELY chooses to live there (go there, or work there) or not. If you don't like the immigrants next door who are always cooking with garlic, than, you move.

If you didn't notice them...or the smoker below you, when you signed the lease...well, you learn a lesson in the future to check, and it's not the government's or the landlord's fault.

Simple--instead of forcing others USING COPS WITH GUNS (as government power is always ultimately through force...) to live like you live, you FREELY (no guns involved here) choose carefully who you live around.

Theo and wife did the right--and only--thing that upholds freedom, if it's not your property, you don't make the rules, and if you don't like it for whatever the reason, you move.

After all, since you don't OWN the apartment, you don't have a RIGHT to lease it dictating your own conditions. Conditions for a lease (or a purchase) are AS IS.

I don't like hearing neighbors through walls. So does that mean I make the government force apartment-builders to build expensive-sound proof walls? No....I just find an apartment with thick walls, and or quiet neighbors, or I buy a house.

It reminds me of the new subdivision built near where I used to live in N. Virginia...right next to a rock quarry. The quarry was there 30 years before the subdivision was built, but of course their homeowners association complained at all the truck traffic and dust--when, I'm sorry, THEY FREELY CHOSE TO LIVE THERE! BUYER BEWARE!

Let me repeat: IF YOU DON'T OWN IT, YOU DON'T MAKE THE RULES. (and that applies to government too).

I swear the spoiled baby-boomers will allow REAL fascism to creep in hurting us all--just so they never ever catch a whiff of smoke.

Anyone who doesn't understand the sanctity of property rights in this, and the danger of having government regulate what a person can do in his own home, has no right to identify themselves as CONSERVATIVE, period.

31 posted on 08/31/2010 10:05:11 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns

Laws restricting your freedoms can be good.

You are not allowed to burn down your home if it’ll spread to my home and burn it down as well.

You are not allowed to play music at 110 decibels at midnight, since that noise would affect me.

You are not allowed to do things in your home that directly affect me, such as pour smoke into my home.

There are limits to free expression. Let’s be reasonable: You can’t shout “fire” in a crowded theater. You have limits to what you can do within your property. You have the right to swing your fist. But it STOPS when it reaches my face. When it does, you’re in trouble.

Seriously, isn’t blowing smoke in someone’s face an insult? And if that someone is pregnant, isn’t that adding injury to insult? Is that not uncaring, unloving?

Yes, we conservatives care about freedom. But we also care about our neighbors, not simply about our freedoms and bank accounts.

Look how long I’ve been a FReeper before responding in anger ...


35 posted on 08/31/2010 10:22:57 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: AnalogReigns
Freedom means the government doesn't force you to live in any one way.

True. But there are words to describe people who make you smell their stink.

Once a person lights up, he forces everybody around him either to partake in the smell, or leave the area.

And the smoker is forcing that choice on everybody else.

That sort of behavior isn't really consistent with the idea of "rights."

42 posted on 09/01/2010 7:00:36 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: AnalogReigns
Wow, I read your piece and agreed fully until I got to

I swear the spoiled baby-boomers...

Gratuitous insults really don't help your argument.

109 posted on 09/01/2010 2:31:43 PM PDT by jimt
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