Posted on 08/17/2010 11:13:03 AM PDT by Natural Born 54
Here's something new for the birthers to chew over: President Barack Obama's passport. Says he was born in Hawaii! But the White House has strategically fuzzed out certain data, so the mystery continues.
Now, it's his official passport, which means it's new, so the true believers will not be persuaded. Not that they ever would.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
It is interesting that this will settle the issue for millions of the most gullible living in this country.
Great analysis. Thank you.
Two fact for you:
Obama is the worst President in our lifetimes.
Obama was born in Honolulu, in August 1961.
Evidence of first is ample. Evidence of second - the newspaper birth announcement in Honolulu newspapers in Aug 1961.
Just because someone doesn’t fall for the birther claims doesn’t make them Obama supporters; that’s lame, shallow and false.
They pulled a little "bait and switch" with the passport.
. . . . Check out # 274; see screenshots, too.
[Thank you, TheCipher.]
Can someone tell us if a newspaper article would hold up as evidence in a court of law? Wouldn’t there have to be proof to back up the validity of the article?
Plus you may want to see #280. I explain a little better why the stamp page can’t be shown next to the photo page.
Yes, this is evidence, both for court of law and for drawing your own conclusions:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg
“Wouldn’t there have to be proof to back up the validity of the article?”
The newspapers in turn got their data from the Health Records Office of Hawaii. What this further means is that Obama’s records were put on file between Aug 4 and Aug 14, 1961.
“Does the U.S. Constitution equate being natural born with mere “birth in the U.S.”?”
The generally accepted view of the birthright citizenship clause of the 14th is “yes”.
http://www.14thamendment.us/amendment/14th_amendment.html
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
“A documented account of a visit to Pakistan using a US passport clearly does debunk the claim that the government (either US government or Pakistani government) was not allowing people to travel to Pakistan using a US passport.”
How soon we forget - The US had CIA agents in Pakistan, and we were propping up Pakistan as part of our fight against the USSR in Afghanistan. We funded the Afghan rebels via Pakistan at that time.
Did he submit a birth certificate when his secretary filled out the application for the passport, or did they just put down what she wrote on the application form?
A "fact' that Obama was born in Hawaii?
Evidence of first is ample. Evidence of second - the newspaper birth announcement in Honolulu newspapers in Aug 1961.
Just because someone doesn’t fall for the birther claims doesn’t make them Obama supporters; that’s lame, shallow and false.
What is lame is all the evidence that after-birthers avoid to acknowledge. There is plenty of evidence against Obama.
- Obama puts out a false birth certificate.
- Family members have said Obama was born in Kenya
- Michelle Obama has said her husband is a Kenyan and Kenya is his home country.
- Kenyan Minister James Orengo said Obama was born in Kenya.
- Obama inherited at birth a British/Kenyan citizenship from his father and not a natural born US citizen.
- Kenyan Parliament members celebrating Obama's presidency said he is the son of the soil of Kenya. In other words Obama is a native of Kenya.
- And if he was born overseas, Obama's mama could not confer US citizenship to Obama because she was too young in accordance with US law. And if she could transfer her US citizenship to Obama, it would be by US statute which is naturalization, therefore, Obama could not be a natural born citizen.
- Obama is evasive who acts like a criminal not like a president. He will not prove to a court of law or any other controlling authority that he was born in Hawaii.
No Obama is not a natural born citizen and highly likely was not born in Hawaii.
“Given the numbers, just how does he benefit? “
Obama benefits by changing the topic away from his enormous gaffe over the ground zero mosque, and at the same time is a way to remind other voters “Hey my opponents are crazy.” Divide and conquer.
“If anything, he will galvanize the opposition - his supporters will remain relatively unaffected.”
No, his supporters are haters - they hate ... US. Making the issue about birthers is a way to get his supporters back on board and hating you, instead of questioning his own stupidity over mosques, jobs, and spending.
Yes. It’s the “Joker” photo.
Almost all your statements are false.
No member of his family said he was born in Kenya, false.
Zero evidence of any non-US citizenship at all, not a scrap of evidence of that, and if you have it, show it.
Strip way your bogus claims and you have ZERO evidence of any place other than Honolulu being his birthplace.
Here’s evidence to back up Obama’s birth being in Honolulu:
1. When first challenged on his birthplace, Obama released his COLB - Certification of Live Birth - that people get from the State of Hawaii when they request birth records. This document has an embossed seal and stamp and is sufficient documentation for getting a passport or a drivers license. The COLB was photographed by folks at factcheck.org:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_4.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_7.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_8.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg
2. Newspaper announcement of birth one week after birth, Aug 4. Two newspapers had birth announcements on Aug 13 and Aug 14th, and they were in turn gotten from State of Hawaii records office. Here’s one of them:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg
3. The newspapers in turn got their data from the Health Records Office of Hawaii. What this further means is that Obama’s records were put on file between Aug 4 and Aug 14, 1961.
4. Common sense: Lack of money means they were tied to the Island. Stanley Dunham and Barack Obama Sr lived, met and were students in Honolulu. That was there hometown. As students, they had little money, so the natural conclusion would be that they would have very likely had their baby in Honolulu. They had a Marriage in Feb, baby in August; honeymoon was on another Hawaiian island; if they were going to travel anywhere else, THAT would have been the time to do it.
5. State officials from Hawaii vouched for his birth records being on file and him being born in Hawaii: “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008, over eight months ago.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/27/AR2009072703114.html
6. Obama obtained US passports for overseas travel. He needed valid birth certification that proved US citizenship to do so. While the above COLB is from 2007, he needed a prior one to get his passport to go to Kenya. This further validates that he has birth records AND they show his birth in the US.
7. There was a claim that his grandmother said he was born in Kenya. That report is false and based on selective editing of an interview. See:
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/12/05/birth_certificate/
“During the interview, which was conducted through a translator by a street preacher named Ron McRae, Sarah Obama does in fact say she was present. But it’s clear that there was a mistranslation, because as soon as McRae very excitedly starts to try to get additional details, the people on the other end of the line realize what’s happened and say, over and over again, that Obama was born in the U.S. “
Here is the FULL interview audio - 16 MINUTES not 5 minutes like most of the tapes that purport to show someone saying Obama was born in Kenya. A sure sign of a bogus conspiracy theory is phony manipulation like that:
http://s16v.com/americasright/8167169.wma
So we have 6 reasons Obama was born in Hawaii, and we debunked the one thin claim that tied Obama to birth elsewhere. Will it convince anyone? I don’t know. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.
“Does the passport list his birth father? Is the father a
US Citizen? Is they mom?”
His COLB lists his birth father... BHO the senior.
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg
“The Press/media is continuing to plant in the minds that citizenship equates to the Constitutional requirement for Presidential eligibility. To them mere birth in the US makes a person eligible.”
They have made assumptions about the birthright citizenship clause of the 14th amendment. It’s a fair assumption, because the justices probably think the same way anyway.
Grandma Sarah said that she was there when Obama was born through the interpreter and later answers herself knowing the nature of the follow up questioned where she answers that Obama was born in Kenya by saying "Obama Mobasa" without the interpreter.
They only went into denial mode after they confirmed Obama was born in Kenya where they remembered to follow Barack Obama's orders to say that he was born in Hawaii. They first part of the conversation has credibility the second part does not.
Citing 'Factcheck' have no credibility here as they are liars and run by leftists.
They promote an Obama forgery.
5. State officials from Hawaii vouched for his birth records being on file and him being born in Hawaii: “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health,
Hawaii has been deceptive and frankly lie for Obama:
Hawaii Officials Lie For Obama
So where is that Obama birth certificate? It only costs $10 bucks. Photoshop .jpg images just won't do.
Here is the first COLB posted by Obama’s web site.
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html
The fact that there are no folds is extremely troubling. The folds show up later in the factcheck.org copies.
Where there two COLBs?
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