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This Just In: Civilization Ends
IC ^ | August 10, 2010 | Robert R. Reilly

Posted on 08/10/2010 10:32:50 AM PDT by NYer

When do you know it's over? When do you know that civilization has collapsed inwardly to such an irreparable extent that the next stop is barbarism? When is that Weimar moment?

Certainly, the legalization of abortion was one such moment, as barbarism is defined as the inability or unwillingness to recognize another person as a human being. Abortion is the denial of procreative sex by nullifying its effects, which are seen as accidental. If you have an accident and conceive a baby, you can just clean up the mess by aborting it.

Now we are experiencing another Weimar moment, which also denies procreative sex by accepting sodomy as a morally normative act. It regards the embrace of homosexual marriage in last week's ruling by a federal judge in San Francisco.

As a result of the successful passage of Proposition 8, the California constitution states that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." This provision was challenged by several gay couples, the plaintiffs in the case, as a denial of due process and their right to equal protection under the law.

The original defendants in the case, Attorney General Jerry Brown and Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, refused to defend their state constitution in court, even though Proposition 8 was passed by a majority of their citizens. For this, a Californian might think, they ought to be impeached for dereliction of duty. Brown and Schwarzenegger should not be able to choose which parts of California's constitution they will uphold and which they will not. Their absence left an apparently less than competent volunteer team to defend the provision.

The outcome of the deliberations? On August 4, U.S. District Chief Judge Vaughn R. Walker ruled that marriage is not between a man and a woman.

Where could he have gotten this idea? It turns out that the judge himself is a homosexual. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, another judge, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitive nature of the trial, said, "He [Walker] has a private life and he doesn't conceal it, but doesn't think it is relevant to his decisions in any case, and he doesn't bring it to bear in any decisions."

It is more than a stretch to believe that Walker's life as a homosexual did not affect his decision concerning homosexual rights. Would a person engaged in the very activity that is being questioned in law be the best one to judge on its legal character? One of the most elementary principles of justice is that one should not judge a case in which one has an interest. But Judge Walker apparently did not feel the need to recuse himself, though it would seem obvious that he, as a homosexual, would have a personal interest in the outcome.

In fact, the judge is a beneficiary of his own ruling -- not only in the direct sense that he could now marry another homosexual person if he so wished, but in the larger rationalization of homosexual acts as being morally normative. His 136-page ruling can be seen as a bald act of self-justification, which he now enforces upon the broader public as legally mandatory.

This, of course, is a major misuse of law, but it has its precedents, as already mentioned concerning the legalization of abortion. In The Ethics, Aristotle noted what impels this misuse: "Men start revolutionary changes for reasons connected with their private lives." People who live morally disordered lives -- and a life centered on homosexual acts is morally disordered -- must always search for rationalizations that permit them to continue their behavior. Otherwise, their conscience rebels (see The Culture of Vice). Judge Walker's revolutionary ruling is indubitably tied to his private life, the rationalization for which he now requires everyone to accept -- according the U.S. Constitution, no less.

Let us examine the rationalizations in his decision.

Judge Walker declares that "Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license." This, he contends, is wrong because marriage is a basic right.

However, one has a "right" or is "free" to marry only in so far as one is capable of being married. One does not have a right to a vocation in life that one cannot perform the duties of. Does one have the "right" to be a fireman if one cannot quickly climb a ladder and lift a heavy hose? Does one have a "right" to serve in the military if one cannot physically meet its demands?

What, then, might be the minimal demands of marriage which one must be capable of performing? One of those martial duties, as in the two examples above, is actually physical, though its implications and true meaning extend far beyond the merely physical.

Common law holds that a marriage is not valid until it is consummated. What does consummating a marriage mean? It means and has always meant by law an act of vaginal intercourse between the husband and wife.

If this act does not take place, the marriage can be legally declared a nullity. Until consummation, it is subject to annulment. Therefore, becoming one flesh is not optional for a legally valid marriage. If one is incapable of consummating a marriage or simply unwilling to do so for any reason, there can be no marriage, and therefore the "right" to it is irrelevant. Similarly, if one cannot perform as a fireman, the right to be a fireman is also irrelevant.

How does Judge Walker get around this? By ignoring it -- and with this bit of legerdemain: He states that the ability to produce offspring has never been a prerequisite for granting heterosexual couples marriage licenses. This, of course, is true, but he segues from it to the clear implication that an act of sodomy can therefore replace vaginal intercourse to consummate a marriage. He implies this, though the word "sodomy," the elephant in the room, is never mentioned in his decision.

He was wise, if not entirely honest, in not using the word, because it has never before been thought that sodomy could legally consummate a marriage, regardless of the fertility or infertility of the couple. Many state laws forbade sodomy. Since some even included prohibitions of it within marriage, it was inconceivable that marital consummation could have meant anything but vaginal intercourse.

For homosexual couples, the marital act is physically impossible -- the pieces don't fit -- and the attempt to ape it through sodomy is hygienically compromised and incapable in any circumstances of generating new life. For these reasons, among many others, common law has held through the centuries that marriage can only be between a man and a woman.

In light of this, it is astonishing that Judge Walker could state in his conclusion that "Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license" (my emphasis). Is it not rational to state that those incapable of consummating a marriage cannot in fact be married? It seems quite irrational to say otherwise.

Judge Walker's big issue is the denial of equality and the discriminatory nature of Proposition 8. However, everyone is equal before this law, because no man and woman can be denied marriage for reasons of race, creed, or color. No extraneous issues can be brought to bear outside of the qualification that it takes a man and a woman to marry. Homosexuals and lesbians are also equal before this law in so far as they are willing, respectively, to find a woman or a man with whom to marry. Proposition 8 does not single out anyone; it simply defines marriage as marriage has always been defined. Like any law, it distinguishes between those who qualify and those who do not.

Similarly, because of the principle of equality, everyone has the right to consent in the manner in which they are governed. However, in order to exercise this right -- expressed as the right to vote -- one must meet the qualifications of voter registration as to age, residence, etc. If one is unwilling to register or has not reached the proper age, one cannot exercise the right. A child cannot; neither can an insane person. In some states, neither can felons.

Relevant disqualifications for marriage include consanguinity -- brothers and sisters cannot marry no matter how much they love each other. Neither can children, the insane, or those who are already married. Could anyone reasonably argue that children, the insane, bothers and sisters, or the already married are not equal before the law regarding marriage? Because you cannot meet the stipulations of a law does not mean you are unequal before it.

The law that forbids drunk driving, for instance, applies equally to everyone, including alcoholics. Because an alcoholic is more likely to break this law, or because it may be harder for him or perhaps even impossible to observe, does this mean the law is a violation of his due process and equality before the law? What would Judge Walker say?

Judge Walker, however, takes greatest umbrage at the "belief that opposite-sex couples are morally superior to same-sex couples" or "the belief that a relationship between a man and a woman is inherently better than a relationship between two men or two women." On what could such a "belief" be based? He suggests either "animus toward gays and lesbians," which of course is inadmissible, or "moral disapproval of homosexuality," which very well might be admissible, depending on its relationship to the common good.

However, Walker dismisses morality altogether as an insufficient basis for legislation. This is in sync with his purported libertarian beliefs. He concludes that "Proposition 8 finds support only in such [moral] disapproval," and is therefore unconstitutional. However, law is by its nature moral, as it stakes its claim to make something better, rather than worse, which has to be ultimately judged against a standard of the "good." Without morality, law is reduced to the rule of the stronger.

While dismissing the morality of his opponents as inadmissible, Judge Walker goes on to legislate his own stealth morality. He avers, in effect, that it is wrong -- in other words, immoral -- to deny homosexual and lesbians a "right" to marry, because this is a violation of the principle of equality. Now, equality is a moral principle. Therefore, Judge Walker completely contradicts himself in asserting that morality is an insufficient basis for the law, when morality is exactly what he uses to justify his decision in changing the law. Is this hypocritical or simply ignorant?

On the other hand, Judge Walker never addresses what might be immoral in the acts of homosexuals that would lead others to the attitude that heterosexual marriage is "morally superior" to same-sex marriage. He puts it all down to changing attitudes. He called the exclusion of same-sex couples from marriage "an artifact of a time when the genders were seen as having distinct roles in society and marriage." Being a good historicist, he states, "That time has passed." In fact, he insists that same-sex partners can do anything in marriage (except consummating it?) as well as heterosexual couples, including child-rearing.

As a parent, this makes me wonder. When my children were younger, they used to think that, if my wife and I removed our wedding rings, they would disappear. We never told them that. Yet they instinctively understood that their very existence depended upon the love between my wife and me. They sensed that they were incarnations of this love, and they therefore concluded that if it were broken they would disappear.

For all of Judge Walker's fulminations about the absolute equivalency of heterosexual and homosexual parenting, the children raised by two males or two females would never have that instinctive sense about the beginnings of their existence in the love of their parents -- for the obvious reason that they could not originate in the relationship between two males or two females. This will leave these children with the lifelong quest for their real origins, or suffering from their being unable to discover them and wondering why at least one of their real parents did not want them. Even the laudable love of adoptive parents cannot overcome this instinctual problem.

Another of Judge Walker's extraordinary rationalizations is that "the evidence shows conclusively that moral and religious views form the only basis for a belief that same-sex couples are different from opposite-sex couples" (emphasis added). This is a startling claim. How about a biologist? Can he tell the difference? Or a proctologist? How about a gynecologist? Might they not notice some slight difference between the two?

Judge Walker's decision is not only irrational; it is a denial of reality. Socrates said that the worst thing a person could do was to lie in his soul about what is. This is such a lie. It denies what is between a man and a woman in marriage. As bad as this is for the poor souls who have organized their lives around a moral disorder, it is even worse for the political order that publically adopts it for its own -- since it is marriage properly understood that is essential for civilization's survival. Publically enforced lies about what is are evil. That is why this is a Weimar moment.

These moments are flares in the night, distress signals, calls for moral rescue before a tsunami engulfs all memory of moral order. Signals have been sent. They still hang in the night sky, the last illumination before bearings are lost. In the darkness that descends, who will answer the cries for help? Will it be those who have been told to be less than men and women in marriage?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: abortion; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; marriage; prop8; vaughnwalker
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To: NYer

The forces of evil are circling. The Catholic Church is the target.

However, I rejoice that I live in a time when it is not easy to be Catholic. I am grateful that, despite the many secular pressures of our society, I have been able to persevere. It isn’t easy and we are often mocked.

In this very small way, we can suffer along with the martyrs for the glory of God.

Hold fast until the end!


61 posted on 08/10/2010 3:28:20 PM PDT by Melian ("There is only one tragedy in the end, not to have been a saint." ~L. Bloy)
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To: NYer

I hope so, and if nothing changes I think we can eke out a 5-4 decision. Pray for it.


62 posted on 08/10/2010 4:06:22 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lydiablievernicht)
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To: Melian; mlizzy
In this very small way, we can suffer along with the martyrs for the glory of God.

Father Ragheed, a Chaldean Catholic priest, is one of my favorite martyrs.



Fr. Ragheed Ganni
Martyr for the faith

Sunday, June 03, 2007

Baghdad (AsiaNews) – An armed group gunned down and killed Fr Ragheed Ganni and three of his aides. The murder took place right after Sunday mass in front of the Church of the Holy Spirit in Mosul where Father Ragheed was parish priest. Sources told AsiaNews that hours later the bodies were still lying in the street because no one dared retrieve them. Given the situation tensions in the area remain high.


In the car were 3 of his deacons and one of their wives. The terrorists told the woman to get out of the car, asked the men to convert to Islam and when they refused, executed them on the spot. They then booby-trapped the car which prevented authorities from removing their bodies until a team could defuse the devices.

Fr. Ragheed was born in Mosul in 1972. In 1993, He received his Civil Engineering degree from the University of Mosul. He studied in Rome from 1996 to 2003 where he received a master's degree in Theology.


Two nuns and a layman carry the pictures of the three deacons who were murdered with Fr. Ragheed.

I posted a thread on this topic earlier this year.

Choosing to be Hated for Christ

And, the bottom line is just that. This is a choice we make. It is not imposed on any of us.

63 posted on 08/10/2010 4:17:56 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: stuartcr
Perhaps it’s just a different path that God has for civilisation, not the end?

Yeah, Nero put Rome on a different path, too.

Whatever "god" condones calling two sodomites the moral equivalent of a married couple, it surely isn't the Lord of Hosts. Ba'al or Dionysus, maybe.
64 posted on 08/10/2010 4:42:46 PM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: wmfights

By people I would agree, by God, I can’t say for sure, but I believe not.


65 posted on 08/10/2010 5:29:45 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: dfwgator

I believe God knows what each of us is going to do, at any given time...even before He creates us.


66 posted on 08/10/2010 5:30:46 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: wagglebee

Yes, it is.

Do you believe God knows what we are going to do, even before He creates us?


67 posted on 08/10/2010 5:31:46 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Antoninus

I believe there’s only One God.


68 posted on 08/10/2010 5:33:31 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: wagglebee; xzins; NYer; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Kolokotronis; wmfights
I wonder how many people realize that the laws and court rulings allowing homosexual “marriages” make polygamy a virtual certainty.

I agree with you, and I doubt that many do realize this. Although he was criticized for alarmism in his dissent in LAWRENCE V. TEXAS (02-102) 539 U.S. 558 (2003), Justice Scalia saw this coming a mile away, just as he did in his earlier dissent in Romer, Governor of Colorado, et al. v. Evans et al. (94-1039), 517 U.S. 620 (1996). (See III, para. 9, et seq.). In LAWRENCE (which overturned the Supreme Court's earlier holding in Bowers v. Hardwick that laws against homosexual activity were Constitutional), Scalia wrote:

...... State laws against bigamy, same-sex marriage, adult incest, prostitution, masturbation, adultery, fornication, bestiality, and obscenity are likewise sustainable only in light of Bowers’ validation of laws based on moral choices. Every single one of these laws is called into question by today’s decision; the Court makes no effort to cabin the scope of its decision to exclude them from its holding. See ante, at 11 (noting “an emerging awareness that liberty gives substantial protection to adult persons in deciding how to conduct their private lives in matters pertaining to sex” ([Scalia's underline] emphasis added)). The impossibility of distinguishing homosexuality from other traditional “morals” offenses is precisely why Bowers rejected the rational-basis challenge. “The law,” it said, “is constantly based on notions of morality, and if all laws representing essentially moral choices are to be invalidated under the Due Process Clause, the courts will be very busy indeed.” 478 U.S., at 196.2 (FK's bolded emphasis added).

I think Scalia accurately saw the snowball effect coming in that logically, if homosexual marriage is allowed to be forced by the courts then other unions would also have to be allowed using the same reasoning. The only way around this would be for a future liberal Court to further embarrass itself by throwing all manner of logic and reason out the window by artificially creating a carve-out for two people based on nothing. I think Scalia fears, as I do, that today's judicial activism has largely given up on even the pretense of reason and consistency in arriving at its desires by fiat. If Roe v. Wade can last this long on the utterly ridiculous standards of penumbras and emanations, then perhaps anything goes, no honorable justification required.

69 posted on 08/10/2010 11:45:40 PM PDT by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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To: Forest Keeper

If sexual oreintation dictates what society must accomodate, it is even a bigger problem that polygamy. That is just the next step. Then comes NAMBLA with their sexual orientation to man/boy “love.” They will “progress” there! We are going down all the way off a cliff.


70 posted on 08/10/2010 11:49:13 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
If sexual orientation dictates what society must accommodate, it is even a bigger problem that polygamy. That is just the next step. Then comes NAMBLA with their sexual orientation to man/boy “love.” They will “progress” there! We are going down all the way off a cliff.

I completely agree. In order to get what they really want, the common acceptance and normalization of homosexuality, they will be handing the law over to the NAMBLAs and the like on a silver platter. The trail to the promised land has already been blazed. All the other behavioral factions have to do is follow it, and they'll get their "rights" too.

71 posted on 08/11/2010 12:07:05 AM PDT by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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To: wmfights

>>There is no reason for homosexuals to marry one another.

Actually, there is. As in most things, follow the money. The issue here is spousal insurance benefits from employers.

On that note, should this ruling stand, how long will it be before we find two same-sex *heterosexuals* getting married purely so one can take advantage of the other’s employer’s insurance?


72 posted on 08/11/2010 3:15:58 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: FreedomPoster
The issue here is spousal insurance benefits from employers.

Not true. The practice of having the spouse and children on the policy was because the spouse stayed home and raised the children. 2 homosexuals will not produce children and one doesn't need to stay home. Thus there's no reason they can't get it either at work or buy it.

73 posted on 08/11/2010 9:13:13 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: stuartcr
...by God, I can’t say for sure...

There is no question the act is condemned by God. We don't write the rules. The rules have been given to us and we either obey , or we don't.

I think sometimes in these discussions it's forgotten that homosexuals aren't the only people who have desires that are wrong. Everybody has something they deal with. It doesn't mean we normalize these temptations and say they are okay.

74 posted on 08/11/2010 9:19:47 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights

You also choose to believe the rules you read are for everyone...even those that do not believe as you do.


75 posted on 08/11/2010 9:29:50 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: sodpoodle
***Walker dismisses morality altogether as an insufficient basis for legislation.*** How might he apply this nonsense to the most immoral act of murder?

Since a prohibition of murder is cited in the Ten Commandments, prosecuting murderers must therefore violate the separation of church and state. Same with stealing, lying, etc. And if you can't prosecute lying under oath, then you have complete anarchy. Which is what libtards want.

76 posted on 08/11/2010 9:31:08 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (" 'Bush did it' is not a foreign policy." -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: Albion Wilde

That judge is guilty of malfeasance. He should be impeached and removed from the bench.


77 posted on 08/11/2010 9:47:10 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
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To: wmfights

I’m not arguing how it should be; I don’t think we’re in disagreement there. I’m telling you why this is being pushed for by the homosexual lobby.

Again, follow the money. This isn’t just “principle” for the homosexuals.


78 posted on 08/11/2010 10:51:05 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: NYer

I’m glad you appreciate my post. I think, the worst thing to happen to the US in a way, was GW. Mainly since he did all the work (aside from our military) to keep this country sheltered from more attacks and full blown economic collapse. Strong leaders like him are great, but they in a way enable to populace to not work to maintain the country, society, and industry.

For example, Augustus the Great revived Rome, but he crippled the country in the sense that it relied overmuch on the leaders/emperors to keep things going and not make any fundamental changes to society on their own initiative. The most successful societies are ones that don’t rely on ‘Strongmen’ to run everything successfully. The society is run from the ‘ground up’ and not from the ‘top down.’

When America basically ran itself outside of overt interference, then it was great. Same with any country for that matter. But America is learning helplessness and a lot of Americans are always waiting around, waiting to be told what to do. Now increasingly Americans are like French peasants screaming at the government to give them bread while they ignore their farms.

It’s horrible and it’s going to, unless America is forced to take a long hard look at this downward spiral, what will happen is that America will collapse or literally become a Third World country.


79 posted on 08/11/2010 12:03:53 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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