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Ohio hamburger chain says insurance reform will bite into profits [White Castle, IHoP endangered]
Cleveland.com ^ | 07/04/10 | Sabrina Eaton

Posted on 07/04/2010 11:03:57 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

The White Castle hamburger chain fears that a health insurance reform law adopted earlier this year will put its profits on a downward slide.

The Columbus-based family owned restaurant chain - known for serving small square hamburgers called "sliders" – says a single provision in the bill will eat up roughly 55 percent of its yearly net income after 2014.

Starting that year, the bill levies a $3,000-per-employee penalty on companies whose workers pay more than 9.5 percent of household income in premiums for company-provided insurance.

White Castle, which currently provides insurance to all of its full-time workers and picks up 70 to 89 percent of their premium costs, believes it will likely end up paying those penalties. The financial hit will make it hard for the company to maintain its 421 restaurants, let alone create new jobs, says company spokesman Jamie Richardson. White Castle employs more than 10,000 people nationwide, and more than 1,200 in Ohio.

Though advocates of the health insurance bill say its reforms will boost employment, House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio, a vocal foe of the changes, says White Castle's analysis shows how the law's "job-crushing" impact will be most severe in lower-income areas, where jobs like those at White Castle are most needed.

"The irony is that in the name of expanding health care coverage, the administration is making it harder than ever for unskilled workers to get started in the workforce," Boehner said in a missive on White Castle's plight.

Boehner's predictions don't mesh with White House Council of Economic Advisors estimates that health care reform will create 320,000 jobs in upcoming years. The White House has said employees at larger companies aren't likely to notice any difference in their insurance coverage, and that changes in the bill will particularly help small businesses by driving down their premium costs and making it easier for them to insure workers.

"While opponents of reform have raised concerns that some of the provisions in the President's proposal will harm small businesses and their employees, the facts, figures, and discussion below show that the proposal will mean tax cuts, no new requirements, and numerous other benefits," said a blog posting from the group's chair, Christina Romer, and its senior economist, Mark Duggan.

That's not how the National Council of Chain Restaurants sees it. Restaurant group vice president Scott Vinson says the entire restaurant industry will have trouble dealing with costs the bill imposes in 2014, including a $2,000-per-worker penalty that companies with more than 50 employees must pay if their workers end up purchasing federally subsidized insurance rather than getting insurance from their employers.

"There is the expense of actually providing the insurance, then the expense of not providing insurance," says Vinson. "It will be expensive either way."

George Ebinger of New Jersey, who owns several International House of Pancakes restaurants, says the penalties for not insuring his 140 workers will cost roughly half as much as insuring them. He figures he will have to raise prices and possibly lay off workers to come up with the $220,000 he anticipates the penalties will cost.

"We are still figuring out how to deal with this," says Ebinger. "Ultimately, either businesses will close or consumers will pay more."

Problems will be felt throughout the retail industry, which employs many entry-level workers, says National Retail Federation vice president Neil Trautwein. He says employers will face tough choices when the mandates become effective in 2014.

"We do worry about this discouraging employment, particularly when employment hasn't taken off," says Trautwein.

But White House Office of Health Reform Director Nancy-Ann DeParle says 97 percent of the nation's companies won't pay any penalties under the new law.

"The principle underlying this bill is: if you don't offer coverage and you have workers who the taxpayers are supporting to get their coverage, than you must make a relatively small contribution," says DeParle. "I understand that they don't like it and believe it will cut into their profits, but it is a relatively small contribution to defray costs to taxpayers."

Steven Kreisberg of the 1.4 million-member American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees union, questions White Castle's calculations. His union represents food service workers in Ohio public schools and other institutions.

He figures many of the White Castle workers who would end up paying a significant amount of their income for premiums would opt to buy less expensive coverage from a federal exchange.

"Let's not forget that since the worker is declining their coverage, they don't have to pay insurance for that worker," says Kreisberg, the union's health care policy director. "So they would be saving money at the same time as they are paying the penalty."

White Castle recognizes it won't continue paying health insurance bills for workers who buy insurance on the federal exchange, but Richardson says the company predicts its insurance costs would still rise because its healthiest young employees, who make the least money, would be most likely to transfer to the federal program. An exodus of healthy workers from the company's insurance plan would drive up costs for those who remain, the company forecasts.

White Castle, which began offering health insurance to workers in 1924, is also examining whether it would make financial sense for the company to eliminate health insurance coverage altogether and have all its employees buy insurance on the federal exchange, says Richardson.

"It would be incongruent with how we run our business, but we have to think that through," says Richardson. "No matter what, we will do what's best for our team members."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: ihop; obamacare; ohio; whitecastle
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To: OrangeHoof; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"Until then, the bureaucrats are more than happy to lie through their teeth about the affects of their monstrosity." :

"The principle underlying this bill is: if you don't offer coverage and you have workers who the taxpayers are supporting to get their coverage, than you must make a relatively small contribution," says DeParle. "I understand that they don't like it and believe it will cut into their profits, but it is a relatively small contribution to defray costs to taxpayers."

Aargh!! How can anyone not see that this will only increase costs to taxpayers due to higher prices in EVERYTHING?!

61 posted on 07/05/2010 8:15:37 AM PDT by PuzzledInTX
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
says Kreisberg, the union's health care policy director. "So they would be saving money at the same time as they are paying the penalty."

Union mathematics at work.

62 posted on 07/05/2010 8:21:57 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
examining whether it would make financial sense for the company to eliminate health insurance coverage altogether and have all its employees buy insurance on the federal exchange, says Richardson.

And that, folks, has been the Commies plan from Day One.

63 posted on 07/05/2010 8:24:01 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: chainsaw
Those sliders keep getting smaller and smaller.

And more expensive. A double cheeseburger slider is $1.50.

64 posted on 07/05/2010 8:27:10 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

Thanks KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle. Hey, everybody knows that take-out food is an unneeded and greedy luxury enjoyed almost exclusively by fat, unhealthy, greenhouse-gas-emitting Americans.


65 posted on 07/05/2010 8:29:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: martin_fierro

We just got Sonic here in Columbus a few years ago. The food is nothing to write home about.


66 posted on 07/05/2010 8:32:24 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: SunkenCiv
Hey, everybody knows that take-out food is an unneeded and greedy luxury enjoyed almost exclusively by fat, unhealthy, greenhouse-gas-emitting Americans.


67 posted on 07/05/2010 8:34:49 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Madame Dufarge; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"What rarely seems discussed in this whole abomination is the cost attached to performing income verifications for every employee to determine what household income is."

That's what jumped out at me too. I'm an independent project management consultant. I literally don't know what my annual income is because it depends totally on what gigs I land and the rates I can negotiate (rates can vary by $70 hour and sometimes I have a daily rate or cap). In addition, I can't look at my income from past years to estimate what I'll make this year. There's no connection, especially in this marxist induced depression.

I can imagine it's even more difficult for my friend who runs a 2 person company selling cutting tools. He has to pay commissions and hold inventory. So what will the IRS use to calculate his "income"? Gross or net income? Huge difference.

68 posted on 07/05/2010 8:40:31 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: uptoolate

Makes me want to go have some for lunch. I just have to get them 3-4 times a year. That’s not so bad... right!


69 posted on 07/05/2010 9:28:40 AM PDT by united1000
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Those managers are worried about their million dollar bonus’. /sarc.


70 posted on 07/05/2010 9:30:16 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: LaMudBug

Yes but today is 100 percent better. Remember you did not have Free Republic back then...lol.


71 posted on 07/05/2010 9:33:29 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

All part of the plan.


72 posted on 07/05/2010 9:33:53 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Fire the unproductive; offer OT to the productive, and wait for the discrimination lawsuits.


73 posted on 07/05/2010 9:34:57 AM PDT by JimRed (To water the Tree of Liberty is to excise a cancer before it kills us. TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

A job without the best health care benefits is worse than no job at all, so there’s going to be lots more people with no job at all. Go figure.


74 posted on 07/05/2010 9:36:15 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Recon Dad
known for serving small square hamburgers called “sliders

AKA: Fart Burgers



I might eat 2 or 3 sliders, it's the two sacks of onion chips that kill me later.
75 posted on 07/05/2010 9:59:52 AM PDT by Gun142 (Where Will You Be When You Get Where You're Going? -- Jerry Clower)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Steven Kreisberg of the 1.4 million-member American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees union, questions White Castle's calculations. His union represents food service workers in Ohio public schools and other institutions.

Why on earth bring a union thug into this discussion. The union employees he represents are paid off the public trough - comparison to the private sector.

76 posted on 07/05/2010 10:14:46 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: Gun142

I do not think they are as potent as they were back in the 60’s.


77 posted on 07/05/2010 10:38:49 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things)
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To: litehaus

I grew up in Orlando in the fifties and sixties. I ate hundreds of Royal Castle burgers and many mugs of birch beer. Royal Castle’s slogan was: “A Meal Fit for A King.” We always guessed they referred to Roger Miller’s KING OF THE ROAD which fit some of the scruffy diners you’d meet there at 3 a.m. if you were a drunk teenager. Thanks for the memories.


78 posted on 07/06/2010 1:58:58 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: I still care
[Krystals is not as good. They are the same shape and stuff, but the flavor just isn’t as good or moist. I don’t know why.]

Some stores steam the paddies with minced onions rather than frying them. The bun is also placed under the steamer and absorbs some of the meat flavor.

The first hamburger stand of this type I encountered was Milligan’s BeefyBurger in Orlando. The “Beefy” was a confession that it was not all beef but some oatmeal and soy flour. They sold for 12 cents each with mustard and dill pickle and were worth every penny.

79 posted on 07/06/2010 2:14:05 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: GailA

I’ll drive up there one weekend and check it out. I have bought frozen White Castle from the Kroger supermarket and microwaved them. They’re alright but it’s an artififical experience.


80 posted on 07/06/2010 2:22:41 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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