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Birther Army Doc Waives Hearing, Court Martial Likely To Move Ahead
TPM ^ | 7/9/10 | Justin Elliot

Posted on 06/09/2010 12:06:14 PM PDT by jamese777

The group backing Birther Army Doctor Terrence Lakin as he makes his way through the military justice system announced today that Lakin is waiving a preliminary hearing that was set for Friday.

Lt. Col. Lakin refused orders on the grounds that Barack Obama is not eligible to be president. It is now up to Maj. Gen. Karl Horst, Military District of Washington Commander, to decide if the case will go to trial, said Chuck Dasey, spokesman at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, where Lakin is assigned.

The American Patriot Foundation said in a press release: Saying that the Army has made it "impossible for me to present a defense" at the Article 32 "preliminary hearing" previously scheduled for June 11, 2010, Lt. Colonel Terrence Lakin has officially waived -cancelled--that proceeding. Therefore, the case will move inexorably on to a General Court Martial.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: army; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; fraud; lakin; ltcterrylakin; military; naturalborncitizen; obama; railroad; railroaded; terrylakin; walterreed; wramc
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To: colorado tanker

Ooh ooh - I added an extra “i” to a word!! Nullifies my entire argument, which of course you ignored.

Deal with it youself.

And you can stuff your support of 0thugga down your piehole and choke on it.


101 posted on 06/10/2010 10:51:28 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

Ah, yes. When are argument is lost resort to the ad hominem attack. You and Obama have more in common than you think.


102 posted on 06/10/2010 10:56:17 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: little jeremiah

An easy way to spot an idiot is to compare a post to one of yours.


103 posted on 06/10/2010 11:14:36 AM PDT by verity
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To: colorado tanker

ROTFLOL!

Calling me and another poster “kids” a couple of times isn’t ad hominem?

You’re so full of crap you cannot see the simple truth.

Deal with it.


104 posted on 06/10/2010 11:14:45 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: verity

Verity - never was there a poster with a more ill-suited name.


105 posted on 06/10/2010 11:15:32 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
I would enjoy seeing you, Obama and Lakin hang from the same tree branch.
106 posted on 06/10/2010 11:16:45 AM PDT by verity
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To: colorado tanker

POS for President.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

A “POS” likely has as much legitimacy as the current occupant of the Oval Office.


107 posted on 06/10/2010 11:20:52 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: colorado tanker
The court will rule Obama’s birth records are irrelevant to the issue at hand, which is was he given those orders and did he disobey them by missing movement? The court will rule Obama’s birth records are irrelevant to that issue as a matter of law.

The manual for Court's Martial *requires* that an officer facing dismissal be allowed to present the affirmative defense that the order(s) were unlawful.

Now it might be that the Court would rule that the orders were lawful regardless of the eligibility of the order giver, but that a different matter than just the issue of did he disobey the orders or not.

108 posted on 06/10/2010 11:23:44 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Red Steel

Long time Obot, and an admitted paid Obot.

http://www.scribd.com/jamese777

http://boardreader.com/thread/Bachmann_Wont_Complete_Census_1py7vX37pz.html

http://obamaeligibility.org/forum/united-states-v-wong-kim-ark-169-u-s-649-1898/united-states-v-wong-kim-ark/

http://obamaeligibility.org/forum/maya-soetoro-hawaiian-birth-certificate/

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2010/06/09/birther-army-doc-waives-hearing-court-martial-likely-to-move-ahead/
http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=7464&Disp=All


109 posted on 06/10/2010 11:30:15 AM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: colorado tanker
You can't have an Army if everyone gets to decide which orders to obey

You can't have an Army in a Free Republic, where the officers refuse to follow the oath they are required to take before becoming officers. That oath does not require obeying orders, but it does require supporting and defending the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

110 posted on 06/10/2010 11:35:43 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: colorado tanker
Nothing in the Constitution empowers the Army to judge the qualifications of a President. Nothing. In fact, the Constitution makes clear the Army is subject to the control of the civilian government, not vice versa.

And this is why Lakin's acts were doomed from the beginning. And this is why those close to Lakin, those who cared for his well-being, pleaded him to get his head examined.

But Lakin ignored their advice and instead chose to surround himself with people who haven't the slightest clue as to what the hell they're talking about. And when Lakin's career is ruined and his freedom quite possibly restricted, the same people he aligned himself with and who's misguided advice he followed, the same people who have risked nothing while encouraging Lakin to throw away everything, will still be peddling the same nonsense, BS and completely fictional garbage on the internet.

111 posted on 06/10/2010 11:40:06 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: colorado tanker
If he is not Constitutionally qualified for office at this point there is one remedy for that - for the Congress to institute impeachment proceedings.

The constitution provides that the *President* may be impeached for bribery, treason and other high crimes and misdemeanors. Two questions: Which is of those is "not eligible"? How can someone not eligible *be* President. The question for the courts, civilian or military, is "is he eligible? If he's not, he can't be impeached, because he is not President. If he is, there is nothing to impeach him for.. well expect Treason, Bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors.

112 posted on 06/10/2010 11:41:23 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
"against all enemies, foreign and domestic. "

Who is constitutionally authorized to decide if Obama is an enemy?

113 posted on 06/10/2010 11:44:41 AM PDT by verity
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To: colorado tanker
He gained the position by the Electoral College and the Chief Justice.

The Chief Justice's role is merely ceremoninal, that is not based on a Constitutional requirement. While the oath must be taken, it need not be adminstered by the Chief Justice, nor even taken orally.

Taking the oath is a requirement, jsut like being a Natural Born Citizen, 35 or over and 14 years a resident, but it does not make one President, the oath could be taken days before a person becomes President. The final item is the clock and calender, as now specified in the XXth amendment, section 1.

114 posted on 06/10/2010 11:47:23 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: verity
Who is constitutionally authorized to decide if Obama is an enemy?

No one, which means everyone is. But as with other questions of Constitutional interpretation, the Courts generally have the last word.

Article III

Section. 1. The judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

Section. 2. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; — to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; — to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;

The Congress established the military *courts* just as much as it did the civilian courts.

115 posted on 06/10/2010 11:52:34 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
Since Obama has not been declared an enemy by a court, your previous argument regarding an Officer's oath of allegiance is moot.
116 posted on 06/10/2010 11:56:38 AM PDT by verity
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To: verity
Since Obama has not been declared an enemy by a court, your previous argument regarding an Officer's oath of allegiance is moot.

It's not moot if one is asking a court to so declare him. Or just to declare him not eligible.

117 posted on 06/10/2010 11:59:19 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Which court is being asked?


118 posted on 06/10/2010 12:00:36 PM PDT by verity
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To: Drew68
“And this is why Lakin’s acts were doomed from the beginning. And this is why those close to Lakin, those who cared for his well-being, pleaded him to get his head examined.”

Drew68 Please watch the videos that Lt. Col. Lakin has released. No one is forcing him to do anything. He is a very reasonable man who has chose to stand up for something that he believes in. He is a well respected highly decorated doctor who has signed birth certificates and knows a lot about the issues involved. He has plenty to lose and that is why him risking it all to try and get Obama to release the documents that any reasonable person should expect from our president will have great meaning to large numbers of people.

Jamese777, paid troll that he is... is correct when he points out that Obama’s camp will do almost anything to avoid having this go to Court Martial. All we have seen so far is posturing. If the good doctor contacted his CO tomorrow and offered to drop it... I can almost guarantee that all would be forgiven. It is only Col. Lakin’s determination which is keeping this going. The more unreasonably this is handled and the harsher his punishment... the more this will put pressure on Obama to release the documents. Just to assure the public and military personnel no reasonable person can make a good argument that this should not be done without any other incentive. This charade has gone on long enough!

119 posted on 06/10/2010 12:04:14 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: fireman15; james777
"Jamese777, paid troll that he is... "

What is the compensation rate? Is there a benefits package?

120 posted on 06/10/2010 12:11:57 PM PDT by verity
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