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Natalee Holloway Extended Discussion Thread #21
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Posted on 06/02/2010 1:42:42 PM PDT by RGVTx

This is a consolidation of the current threads on FR. It is intended to make discussion and updates easier.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2526123/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2526200/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2526225/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2526245/posts


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To: sodpoodle

She was apparently beaten so badly with the baseball bat that she lost one of her eyeballs.


541 posted on 06/05/2010 5:26:22 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

It is doubtful that in May 2005 when JVDS was only 17 years-old - the 18 year-old Natalee (or anyone else) could have realized that a such a young man was living a life of utter depravity with the indulgent approval and financial support of his *judge* father.

A dilemma for any parent raising children to be decent, honest and trustworthy is how to caution them that others are not always decent, honest and trustworthy. We naturally expect people to be *like us*.

Psychopaths are generally charming frauds and hard to spot until it’s too late. e.g. Ted Bundy.


542 posted on 06/05/2010 5:37:43 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: sodpoodle

Here’s another:

“Flores, 21, was beaten so brutally that her neck was broken, and her battered body bore multiple bruises and scratches. No weapon was found, indicating the killer used his bare hands.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/06/05/2010-06-05_van_der_sloot_likely_serial_killer__official.html


543 posted on 06/05/2010 6:13:03 AM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: toldyou

very confusing:(

Mark Fuhrman was just on Fox - stating the *murder weapon* was quite an innocent object. Did not say it was a baseball bat or a tennis racquet. Not much new information and his time-line on *time of death* was paving the way for JVDS to say: “the door was open and she was alive when I left”.

If he gets away with another murder - we will all go nuts.

(looks as if this is another ANS project;)


544 posted on 06/05/2010 6:25:17 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: sodpoodle
(looks as if this is another ANS project;)

Yikes! I'm thinking this guy might be 'popular' in jail.

545 posted on 06/05/2010 6:32:29 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: sodpoodle

I’m now reading comments on...

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/joran-trouble-again-45696/


546 posted on 06/05/2010 6:50:47 AM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

“Girls:

Don’t go back to hotels rooms with really ugly scowling b*stards at 5 AM ——— go home instead !!!”

***

Trouble is, when you’re drunk or high, you’ll do a lot of things you wouldn’t ordinarily do. You throw caution to the wind because, hell, that fella (or gal) next to you looks good. He/she might not look so good in the sober light of day, but at that moment, you think that person is the most gorgeous creature on earth.

It’s never smart to be alone with someone you don’t know, particularly when you’ve only met maybe an hour or so earlier. In fact, you probably shouldn’t let yourself get so drunk or high in the first place.


547 posted on 06/05/2010 6:55:17 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: BradyLS

“20 years to life”

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20 years wouldn’t be nearly long enough. He’d be in his 40s when he got out. Still lots of time to go back to his old ways.

Life without parole would be so much preferable. He should rot in prison.


548 posted on 06/05/2010 7:01:45 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

“Trouble is, when you’re drunk or high, you’ll do a lot of things you wouldn’t ordinarily do.”

It has been reported that after he left the hotel, he took Stephany’s car and later abandoned it. In it, they found date-rape drugs.

I’m assuming that’s how he got her to go to his room with him. Scary.


549 posted on 06/05/2010 7:02:03 AM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: fatnotlazy; LucyT
Thanky you for the heads up about Greta's special tonight at 8 p.m.

Say, this is OT, but did you hear anything about there being a rumor that Stacy Peterson's body has been located, but that this information has not yet been publically released?

It was a stray comment I read at WS this morning, that all the crime reportes MIGHT be doing double-duty very soon, and there also are a number of other tragic & unresolved cases that may suddenly break wide open.

550 posted on 06/05/2010 7:02:31 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: ican'tbelieveit
>>>> "Looks like he peed his pants." <<<<

Have you seen this one?

http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu27/ilovemew/sleuthing/joran2.jpg

551 posted on 06/05/2010 7:05:44 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: toldyou

You may be right. I didn’t think of that (date rape drugs).

And I didn’t mean to judge Natalee’s or Stephany’s decisions or actions in this matter. I just know how these things often play out. It’s part of the reason why I don’t drink anymore.


552 posted on 06/05/2010 7:06:25 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: sodpoodle
A WS poster mentions that when one translates the english, "baseball bat" into Spanish, that the resulting word is "raquetta" (?sp?) and that perhaps that is the reason why we are reading about bats & tennis racquets???
553 posted on 06/05/2010 7:08:58 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie

I didn’t hear that story about Peterson, but it would be good if it’s true. Another scumbag off the street, and it might be good for her family to know for sure what happened. Lethal injection is too good for him.


554 posted on 06/05/2010 7:09:10 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: RGVTx

Good Morning my Dear,
We all hope the POS gets the death penalty, but in these third world countries it will result in the SSDD concept. “Same Stuff Different Day.”
On a positive note, at least the elder Van Der Poop is deceased and working with Ted “Shamoo” Kennedy in hell scooping camel dung.
There Ought To Be A Law,
NSNR-Molon Labe


555 posted on 06/05/2010 7:09:55 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
I don't think that he beat NH to death on the beach, simply because I believe that it would have been impossible to hide all traces of blood and/or DNA evidence.

I think he sold her to South American human traffickers.

In any event, it will be very interesting to learn if the Peruvian interrogators learn anything new & important about NH and/or other young women he's beaten or killed.

556 posted on 06/05/2010 7:11:58 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: sodpoodle

Another Aruba site...these people are permitted to make comments..

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/vandersloot-wanted-peru-14673/


557 posted on 06/05/2010 7:13:03 AM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009; fatnotlazy
I've read that an ex-girlfriend of Stephany's who is currently in Miami told an interviewer that there is NO way she could believe that Stephany would EVER go with any man to any hotel, as Stephany in the past had frequently told her she was very worried about being murdered for being an openly lesbian woman.

I read ABOUT this interview, I didn't read the article itself if there is one, or hear the interview if it was broadcast.

In any event, Stepany's ex-girlfriend apparently was more shocked by the location of the murder than the murder itself.

Also there was some chatter at WS today that many of the South American chatboards are filled with men proclaiming there is NO way she should have been with Joran at 2 am at his hotel - NO way, evidentally they are really furious with her.

558 posted on 06/05/2010 7:21:40 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie

That makes sense;)


559 posted on 06/05/2010 7:22:05 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: toldyou

I’ve read that people who’ve viewed the surveillance camera footage of Stepany at Joran’s hotel state that she does NOT look at all disoriented, that she looks fine.


560 posted on 06/05/2010 7:23:31 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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