President Nicolas Sarkozy 'threatened to pull France out of euro'

Telegraph (UK) ^ | 12:12PM BST 14 May 2010 | By a Reuters reporter in Madrid

[Travis McGee]

We have front-row seats to unfolding macro history drama, that’s for sure. The old Chinese curse etc.

[Cincinna]

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Sarko has been a huge disappointment these last two years. Perhaps the Leftist influence of la belle Carlita has been too much to resist.

That being said, France has an enormous stake in assuring that Greece does not collapse: France is the second biggest holder of Greece’s debt.

We still wish Sarko well, and hope he gets his conservative instincts back in play. Europe desperately needs relief from those Socialist disasters.

[nina0113]

How long do the Germans wish to continue subsidizing Europe?

If those damned Untermenschen would just obey, forever. The EU is the Fifth Reich.

[bmwcyle]

This time I am on their side.

[bert]

The question has become “do we want a boundryless Europe or do we revert to the chaotic mishmash of multiple everything.”

Is the price of progress worth the momentary pain and suffering?

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Cincinna.

[Kozak]

Uh, basically Sarkozy threatened to pull out of the Euro UNLESS Germany agreed to pay the costs of the bailout. Nice. Too bad the Germans didn’t call his bluff.

[Kozak]

"...or there will be a European civil war.

This time you guys are on your own...

[Grampa Dave]

Didn’t the Opecker Thugs drop the dollar for the Euro.

Also, where are all the Freepers, who hate our $’s the past 2 years and were saying to buy Eurotrash, er Euros?

[Grampa Dave]

Just a little over two years ago, the pessimists/experts were telling us the $ was dead, and it was time to go the Euro.

This was part of how smart Europe was versus dumb America which had the “dumb Bush as president” versus the genius and pro Europe Ohaha, on the front burner by the mediots’s campaign to get 0haha elected. When elected Ohaha could give us national health like the Eurotrash countries and make our economy more like the Eurotrash countries.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1986191/posts

Weak dollar costs U.S. economy its world No. 1 spot
Reuters ^ | Fri Mar 14, 11:10 AM ET

Posted on Saturday, March 15, 2008 9:21:18 AM by Jordi

The U.S. economy lost the title of “world’s biggest” to the euro zone this week as the value of the dollar slumped in currency markets.

Taking the gross domestic product of both economies in 2007, the combined GDP of the 15 countries which use the euro overtook that of the United States when the European currency surged to a record high of more than $1.56 per euro.

“The curious outcome of breaching this latest milestone is that the size of the euro zone’s annual output has now exceeded that of the U.S.,” the economics department of Goldman Sachs, the Wall Street investment bank, said in a note to clients.

Taking official estimates of 2007 GDP — $13,843 billion for the United States and 8,847 billion euros for the euro zone — the economy of the latter passed the United States once converted into dollars, shortly after the euro topped $1.56.

The dollar sank to $1.5688 per euro late in European trading hours on Friday, at which rate the euro zone’s 2007 GDP equates to $13,880 billion.

The 2007 GDP estimates are as published by the U.S. Commerce Department’s Bureau of Economic Analysis and provided to Reuters on request for the euro zone by Eurostat, the European Union’s statistics office.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Well...things didn’t quite work out as the elites had planned.

[Grampa Dave]

Inspite of the rats and their attempts to destroy our $ and promote the Euro, the $ is stronger inspite of 0haha and the attacks on it.

[Army Air Corps]

Likewise, I am sure that tourists find it to be such a pain to travel about the North American continent and switch from Pesos to US Dollars to Canadian dollars. A unified currency, for the convenience of tourists and hang the sovereignty of the states involved, eh?

[BillyBoy]

>>> Sarko has been a huge disappointment these last two years. Perhaps the Leftist influence of la belle Carlita has been too much to resist. <<

Whoa... wait... can it be... CINCINNA just ADMITTED what the rest of this forum has been saying about Sarko for months? (ever since Sarko said Arabic is the "language of the future" that all Frenchies must learn and went into an orgasmic estasy the first time Obama visited France as a Presidential candidate) No more claiming that Sarko is the brilliant Reaganese "leader of the free world" and the excuse that Sarko does the left's bidding on every issue because that's "simply the culture of France"?

I think Hell just froze over. If this keeps up, Mark Kirk's relentless internet fan club will stop insisting he's just being a thoughtful "fiscally conservative" Republican and championing partial birth abortion, illegal alien amnesty, and cap n' trade because "his constituents" demand it.

>> We still wish Sarko well, and hope he gets his conservative instincts back in play. <<

I would argue he never had "conservative instincts" to begin with (certainly not by U.S. standards -- Sarko wouldn't even be good enough for RINOs here). But yes we do all wish he'd wake up and govern as a conservative for a change. I will be the first to stand up and applaud if Sarko actually goes thur with his "threats" and unilaterally withdraws France from the EU. But I have to agree with post #16... knowing the kind of guy Sarko is, he’d sooner cut his own balls off than anger his Euro superstate masters.

We all wish that France had its own version of Ronald Reagan running the country. But having Sarko as President simply means Family Guy's Quadmire has been running the country on the basis of how much booty he can get from his significant others.

[Cincinna]

BillyBoy: Put an end to the personal attacks. They are totally misplaced and not welcome.

You, BillyBoy, speak only for yourself,not “the rest of this forum”.

[Impy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_de_Villiers

I would’ve voted for that guy as French President in the first round.

[BillyBoy]

de Villiers would have made a much better President of France, and governed at least somewhat conservatively.

As for "personal attacks", the only person attacks I've made have been against Sarko himself, when he governs like a liberal. In those circumstances, yes I've gone on Cincinna's threads and questioned the premise that he's the savior of France and "leader of the free world". Something Cincinna finally conceded in admitting Sarko has been a "huge disappointment" over the past two years. I'm sorry if Cincinna thinks its a "personal attack" because I repeatedly pointing that fact out two years ago and mocked Sarko's "leadership".

As for the claims that I only speak for myself and not for the majority of posters on FR, if anyone would like to speak out in defense of Sarko and point out they agree with Cincinna's cheerleading for him over the past two years, they are welcome to refute my posts and make a counterpoint. The point of these threads is analysis and debate. Feel free for everyone to jump in and tell me I'm wrong, and that Sarko is a wonderful principled conservative leader at heart.

::crickets chirp::

[Cincinna]

Villiers is a Monarchist who wants to bring back the French “Royal Family”. He is also anti-American, anti-semitic, and xenophic.

The far right in France is nothing like American Conservativism. They are more fascist that for liberty. They are statists, and do not support true Capitalism and the free market.

The only French politician to my knowledge who is like an American conservative is Alain Madelin.

[Shery]

We live in Germany, sometimes shop in France...(yummy yoghurts, etc.!) Anyway, the point of my post is to say that all receipts still print both Euros and French francs...so one wonders if the French ever really did buy-in to the Euro! Of course, there has been talk of countries pulling out of the Euro since its inception. We’ll see.

[Impy]

Villiers is a Monarchist who wants to bring back the French “Royal Family”. He is also anti-American, anti-semitic, and xenophic.

Having Monarchist sympathies is pretty stupid but hardly a major sin compared to the sins of the other people that ran for French President.

I can find no references to Villiers or his party being anti-Semitic. Might you be confusing him with Le Pen?

I found this old thread. where Villiers in fact condemns Le Pen.

I'm well aware that most of the what is referred to in the European media as the "Far-Right" is in fact closer to Nazism than American Conservatism. Le Pen is in that category. So is the British National Party. I've gotten pretty sick of having to tell people the BNP are in fact leftists and racists. I told this one guy and he was like "oh thanks I didn't know that". A week later the same guy was again posting favorable things about them spreading his ignorance to everyone who read his posts.

It does not seem to me that De Villiers and his party are like that or that they aren't more fiscally conservative than the UMP. I dislike their protectionist stance but Movement for France appears to be the closest thing France has to a conservative party. Too bad it's a small party mostly nonexistent outside it's stronghold region.