Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Producing hydrogen from sea water
Chemistry World ^ | 28 April 2010 | Mike Brown

Posted on 05/03/2010 10:50:42 PM PDT by neverdem

A new catalyst that generates hydrogen from sea water has been developed by scientists in the US. This new metal-oxo complex displays high catalytic activity and stability, whilst being low cost, the researchers say.

Hydrogen is very attractive as a clean source of power. Currently, it is produced by natural gas reforming - where steam is reacted with methane in the presence of a nickel catalyst to form hydrogen - but this method produces the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide.

Jeffrey Long and colleagues from the University of California, Berkeley, prepared a simple molybdenum-oxo complex that can serve as an electrocatalyst, reducing the energy required to generate hydrogen from water on a mercury electrode. As an abundant metal, molybdenum is much cheaper than precious metal catalysts where the costs associated with large scale hydrogen production would be high.

molybdenum-oxo species generates hydrogen from sea water

The team's molybdenum-oxo species generates hydrogen from sea water

© Nature

Long explains that the stability of the catalyst is due to a ligand that bonds to the molybdenum in five places (pentadentate) making it a very strong complex. 'The molecule is very robust and is stable in aqueous conditions for long periods of time so we don't see degradation of the catalytic activity over three days of running the reaction,' he says.  

Significantly, Long's catalyst is also stable in the presence of impurities that can be found in the ocean, meaning that sea water can be used without pre-treatment. The team used a sample of California sea water in the system and found the results to be similar to the results obtained for water at neutral pH. In addition, no other electrolyte is necessary when using sea water, which helps reduce costs and removes any need for organic acids or solvents that could degrade the catalyst.

'The work clearly demonstrates that the molybdenum-oxo complex explored shows good catalytic activity, with at least an order of magnitude higher turnover frequency [the speed at which a catalytic cycle is completed] than alternative catalysts quoted,' says Bruce Ewan, an expert in hydrogen production and renewable energy at the University of Sheffield, UK.   'This new catalyst also opens up new possibilities as a catalytic agent in other proton reducing scenarios,' he adds.

Long and his team hope to develop this system so that 'in the future a catalyst like this could be used in conjunction with a solar cell to produce hydrogen,' he explains. The team is now working on modifying the catalyst to reduce the potential at which the electrochemical reaction proceeds and make the system more efficient.

 

References

H I Karunadasa, C J Chang and J R Long, Nature, 2010, DOI: 10.1038/nature08969

Also of interest

Yellow beaker

Urine turned into hydrogen fuel

02 July 2009

Whizz electrocatalyst frees the hydrogen from 'liquid gold'


Sun shining on water

Breakthrough catalyst for splitting water

31 July 2008

Mild electrolysis system boosts hopes for artificial photosynthesis


The Hydrosol II plant (foreground) concentrates the sun's rays

Cracking water with sunlight

28 March 2008

World's largest thermochemical solar hydrogen plant opens



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: catalysts; chemistry; energy; hydrogen
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-55 next last
To: neverdem

Seawater is 1 ppm uranium...they’d be better off extracting uranium from seawater.


21 posted on 05/04/2010 3:11:59 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

ping


22 posted on 05/04/2010 3:19:04 AM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Defiant
Just think how much more energy can be gained it they use the waters of the Gulf of Mexico!
23 posted on 05/04/2010 3:45:50 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( USMC SSgt Patrick O - 3rd Afghanistan Deployment - Day 196)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

And whence comes the energy to conduct this catalytic reaction? What becomes of the expended catalyst and is it toxic. Molydenum, what is the energy cost to produce that and is it not toxic to a degree????? Nothing without a price.


24 posted on 05/04/2010 4:02:05 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

Another claiming to have circumvented the laws of thermodynamics?


25 posted on 05/04/2010 4:05:21 AM PDT by IamConservative (Liberty is all a good man needs to succeed.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Defiant
If we use sea water to create hydrogen, and make the oceans lower, that should help counteract the melting ice caps from global warming. We will live!

Oops! You missed a step. When the hydrogen is consumed as fuel - a very good thing - water is formed in the atmosphere which precipitates as rain. This rain will eventually wind up in the oceans - they get refilled. We therefore have a virtually perpetual fuel source.

26 posted on 05/04/2010 4:19:41 AM PDT by reg45
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Lion Den Dan
The nature of a catalytic agent is that it is not consumed in the reaction. BTW, I have been an advocate of hydrogen as a fuel for forty years.
27 posted on 05/04/2010 4:26:04 AM PDT by reg45
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: 4rcane
in a 100 years, i have no doubt in my mind that the future generation of environmentalist will find fault in the technology thats powering society, even if we adopt everything they support now e.g ethanol, solar panel.
That's because they are progressives" - and therefore they cannot have an end point.

"Change" is their entire philosophy.


28 posted on 05/04/2010 4:36:56 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ( DRAFT PALIN)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
There are many ways to produce hydrogen. Is this cheaper and easier than other methods? Is this cheaper than "fossil" fuels?

As with all hydrogen schemes the question as to distribution methods will rear it's head. Hydrogen is not an easy gas to handle or transport.

29 posted on 05/04/2010 4:42:51 AM PDT by FreePaul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lonesome in Massachussets
"The half life of a water molecule in the atmosphere is about a week, a molecule of CO2 about a century"

Use of the term "half-life" to describe ingredients in a system that is largely steady-state is very simplistic. Water simply changes state regularly, and there is no chemical alteration of it. CO2 is chemically altered when it is generated by burning fuel and is therefore not in the same class as water for your analogy.

30 posted on 05/04/2010 4:44:50 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: ASOC

.....tin foil....

Aluminum foil?


31 posted on 05/04/2010 4:48:39 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: sonofstrangelove
The process is called electrolysis.

Finding the right catalyst will determine whether the electrolysis of water for using hydrogen as a fuel is economically viable or not, IMHO.

32 posted on 05/04/2010 4:52:41 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Mike Darancette

LOL! They actually said, “whilst?”


33 posted on 05/04/2010 5:10:25 AM PDT by dangus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: F15Eagle

Nope. Producing is fine. H+ is simply a proton. H2 is a molecule. By “Hydrogen,” they mean H2, not protons. Water is not H2. It does not contain H2.


34 posted on 05/04/2010 5:13:14 AM PDT by dangus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

Comment #35 Removed by Moderator

To: F15Eagle

You don’t extract something unless it exists already in what you extract it from.


36 posted on 05/04/2010 5:27:33 AM PDT by dangus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

Comment #37 Removed by Moderator

To: bert

sorry,

reynolds wrap?

al

commonly called tin foil in the hinderlans were I grew up


38 posted on 05/04/2010 7:38:48 AM PDT by ASOC (I am available for spill response work, all I ask is $800/day plus expenses.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: DemforBush

ya, that can happen (kof kof) by accident

dry ice does the same thing is much safer

lye (drano) is dangerous if one is not careful 0


39 posted on 05/04/2010 7:40:55 AM PDT by ASOC (I am available for spill response work, all I ask is $800/day plus expenses.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: neverdem; dangus; F15Eagle; norwaypinesavage; FreePaul; reg45; Lion Den Dan; Royal Wulff; ...
I'm no scientist or chemist and I didn't study this stuff much in school and that was long ago. So would someone kindly school me.

My understanding is that the salt NaCl in salt water is in ion form. Something like Na+ and Cl- where the Na+ has an extra electron and the Cl- is lacking an electron.

The salt in ion form is stable in water.

However, the Na sodium ion stripped of its electron--in the presence of water H2O-- is exothermic .... well its explosive. If you do a google search of sodium water reaction youtube-- You can find all kinds of kids blowing up trashcans of water with sodium

So couldn't you just get a controlled combustion by stripping the sodium ion Na+ in situ --while its in water --of its extra electron. The only similarity to a gasoline combustion -- is that you'd have to add extra energy for it to work but the resulting explosion would be exothermic--ie you'd get more energy out.

You might do this by bombarding the salt water with radio waves at the resonance for sodium so as to create a synthetic catalyst.

Kanzius bombarded saltwater at 13.56 MHz -- the Nuclear Magnetic Resonance for Oxygen--which released the hydrogen out of H20. (Likely because the radio wave also heated up Na+ in solution--as would a microwave oven heat a metal.) But what would happen if you bombarded saltwater at the NMR for sodium.

Just a thought.

But the gist of the question is this: why can't you make a controlled combustion with salt water by stripping out the extra electron from the Na+ sodium ion.

(There would likely be three problems 1.)stripping the ion. 2.)controlling the combustion 3.) sorting out the waste)
40 posted on 05/04/2010 7:41:36 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-55 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson