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Remember that ash cloud? It didn't exist, says new evidence
Daily Mail ^
| SEAN POULTER
Posted on 04/26/2010 7:30:19 AM PDT by ventanax5
Britain's airspace was closed under false pretences, with satellite images revealing there was no doomsday volcanic ash cloud over the entire country.
Skies fell quiet for six days, leaving as many as 500,000 Britons stranded overseas and costing airlines hundreds of millions of pounds.
Estimates put the number of Britons still stuck abroad at 35,000. However, new evidence shows there was no all-encompassing cloud and, where dust was present, it was often so thin that it posed no risk.
The satellite images demonstrate that the skies were largely clear, which will not surprise the millions who enjoyed the fine, hot weather during the flight ban.
Jim McKenna, the Civil Aviation Authority's head of airworthiness, strategy and policy, admitted: 'It's obvious that at the start of this crisis there was a lack of definitive data.
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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 2018election; 2020election; amazon; ash; aviation; catastrophism; computermodels; desertification; election2018; election2020; eyjafjallajokull; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; hoax; iceland; reality; refoliation; sahara; science; unitedkingdom; volcano
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To: Cheburashka
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posted on
04/26/2010 7:52:42 AM PDT
by
null and void
(We are now in day 459 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
To: ventanax5
Guess nobody ever heard of weather balloons or high altitude sampling.
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posted on
04/26/2010 7:57:11 AM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
To: Cheburashka
You might enjoy plunging to your death from 30,000 feet if you just tried it. Yeah, but that last foot would be a real buzz-kill.
(8-)
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posted on
04/26/2010 7:57:48 AM PDT
by
Jonah Hex
("Never underestimate the hungover side of the Force.")
To: ventanax5
Jim McKenna, the Civil Aviation Authority's head of airworthiness, strategy and policy, admitted: 'It's obvious that at the start of this crisis there was a lack of definitive data.They can't get whats happening today straight, and yet we're supposed to believe the experts when it comes to Gorebull Warming.
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posted on
04/26/2010 8:00:33 AM PDT
by
mountn man
(The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
To: ventanax5
Remember that ash cloud? It didn't exist, says new evidence Didn't exist? BS.
Not have been as dense as predicted by computer models? Maybe.
Safe to fly through? I wouldn't have bet on that with my planes and passengers without a lot more testing of the ash and my engines. I doubt that GE or Pratt&Whitney have much advice on volcanic dust other than "Avoid it".
Great chance for flying a plane through it (or at least the edges) or flying weather balloons through it to take samples to see how accurate the computer models are? Yes, but it sounds like it was missed.
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posted on
04/26/2010 8:02:02 AM PDT
by
KarlInOhio
(Obamacare: The 2010 version of the Intolerable Acts.)
To: ventanax5
The very same socialist media/pseudoscience hoaxers who gave us human-created Global Warming, have now given us the Great Ash Cloud that wasn’t.
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posted on
04/26/2010 8:02:40 AM PDT
by
FormerACLUmember
("Subtlety is not going to win this fight": NJ Governor Chris Christie)
To: glorgau
Mistakes like this should bring down governments. It just might. There is a general election next week. And lets just say the Labour government isn't looking forward to it.
To: ventanax5
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posted on
04/26/2010 8:03:35 AM PDT
by
Don W
(I only keep certain folks' numbers in my 'phone so I know NOT to answer when they call)
To: ventanax5
The National Air Traffic Control Service decision to ban flights was based on Met Office computer models which painted a picture of a cloud of ash being blown south from the Eyjafjallajokull volcano.Are these the same computer models that show seas rising 20 ft and droughts in the amazon and blizzards in Death Valley and floods in the Sahara, all because of SUVs?
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posted on
04/26/2010 8:04:05 AM PDT
by
mountn man
(The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
To: KarlInOhio
Obviously the ash existed but what didn’t exist was actual hard data on location and density.
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posted on
04/26/2010 8:06:07 AM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
To: cripplecreek
No hard data measured in the field at altitude and extremities exists now
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posted on
04/26/2010 8:08:07 AM PDT
by
bert
(K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
To: ventanax5
"Estimates put the number of Britons still stuck abroad at 35,000."
Were they mostly Arabs? ;-)
To: Mr. K
Dust that can cripple an engine can be so fine you cannot see it I would NOT want to fly though it- it is already shown that it can destry an engine
Do you have proof of that statement?
Boeing and Airbus provide clear guidance - no pitting on windshield, fan blades, leading edges - no damage to the engine. This is what happens when know-nothing academics talk to politicians... and never ask the people who manage risk for a living (pilots, aircraft manufacturers, airline operations).
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posted on
04/26/2010 8:08:59 AM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
You are giving too much credit to stupid feminized liberals. They were “just afraid”. Anyone.... ANYONE, who operates on feelings rather than practical logic and understanding, is doomed to waste, fraud and failure.
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posted on
04/26/2010 8:09:10 AM PDT
by
dusttoyou
(libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
To: KarlInOhio
Safe to fly through? I wouldn't have bet on that with my planes and passengers without a lot more testing of the ash and my engines. I doubt that GE or Pratt&Whitney have much advice on volcanic dust other than "Avoid it".
Ash clouds, or particles carried a thousand miles? There is a difference, and you are incorrect.
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posted on
04/26/2010 8:10:45 AM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: ventanax5
The MET office used the same computer models to estimate the ash cloud that they use for estimating global warming.
Hmmm...
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posted on
04/26/2010 8:13:54 AM PDT
by
Yo-Yo
(Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
To: ventanax5
My wife was supposed to be on one of those flights that got cancelled. I prefer to have it cancelled than taking the risk. We were only inconvenienced, she wasn’t stuck in some airport, but even if she was I’d still rather not have her be a guinea pig for the airlines. I’m sorry they lost so much money but for once I have to side with the government incompetents.
To: Tzfat
The problem is that the ash wasn’t where computer models said it was. Any pilot who says it won’t damage a jet is an idiot who needs to be grounded. Boeing and Airbus flew test flights through clear air because that was where computer models wrongly predicted the ash would be.
http://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/1161.pdf
British airways flight 9. Engine failure caused by ash from Mount Galunggung.
On 15 December 1989, KLM Flight 867. Engine failure caused by ash from Mount Redoubt.
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posted on
04/26/2010 8:26:51 AM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
To: ventanax5
That met office predicted a mild winter for 09-10. Municipalities didn’t stock much grit for road maintenance.
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posted on
04/26/2010 8:27:05 AM PDT
by
listenhillary
(Capitalism = billions raised from poverty, Socialism = billions reduced to starvation)
To: ventanax5
Just another dork thinking they know everything. There is far more to why the airspace was closed than visible ash clouds.
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posted on
04/26/2010 8:28:10 AM PDT
by
CodeToad
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