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Retired Army general: Lt. Col. Lakin has 'valid point'
World Net Daily ^ | April 23, 2010 | Chelsea Schilling

Posted on 04/23/2010 8:47:39 AM PDT by Smokeyblue

A retired Army general and national security policy expert says Lt. Col. Terry Lakin has "a valid point" and should use his "right to discovery" to force the Obama administration to produce proof of his natural-born citizenship status.

In an interview with Evil Conservative Radio, Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely said, "I think many in the military – and many out of the military – question the natural-birth status of Barack Obama. … I'm not convinced that he is [a natural-born citizen]."

Vallely, CEO of Stand Up America U.S., graduated from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point and was commissioned in the Army in 1961, serving 32 years.

He said he inspected his own long-form birth certificate, and it contains a doctor's name, date and location of birth.

"But he's never been able to produce that," he said of Obama. "His unwillingness to do it also concerns me. I think Lt. Col. Lakin has a valid point. … He refuses to produce a birth certificate that states the witnessing of the birth, the date and who is the doctor. We don't know why he won't come out with that."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: army; beckisabirther; birthcertificate; certifigate; gibbsisabirther; lakin; military; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamaisabirhter; oreillyisabirther; terrylakin; whatisobamahiding; whoisbarackobama
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To: Steve Van Doorn

I don’t think that’s true. I got my Illinois drivers license by showing a similar electronic verified copy of my birth certificate.


41 posted on 04/23/2010 9:21:46 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: Kleon; El Gato

<>While that’s an interesting interpretation, no court in the United States is ever going agree with you.<>

These courts did:

http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/18/4-supreme-court-cases-define-natural-born-citizen/


42 posted on 04/23/2010 9:22:39 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Kleon
right but that isn't a birth certificate.
all it shows is you were born on that day.
43 posted on 04/23/2010 9:26:08 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: shadowland

“I think the youngest was TR, 42”

Yep TR was youngest to occupy the office. Kennedy was youngest elected to the office. Barack is 5th youngest to become president.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_age


44 posted on 04/23/2010 9:26:27 AM PDT by DrC
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To: Mr Rogers

Has there been any actual cases on this brought to court? So far the cases have been turned away due to standing. No court I know of has weighed in on the meaning of natural born.

When did Congress?


45 posted on 04/23/2010 9:27:57 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Kleon

His Father was NOT a citizen!!!! NBC=2 Citizen Parents!!!!!


46 posted on 04/23/2010 9:29:04 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: Kleon

...And when I went to the California Department of Motor Vehicles with my 16 year old son to apply for a Driver’s Permit with a COPY of his birth certificate, they sent us home to get the real thing.


47 posted on 04/23/2010 9:29:39 AM PDT by JoeA (JoeA / Welcome to the Second American Revolution)
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To: Mr Rogers
“It seems pretty clear a Natural Born citizen is one born to 2 US citizens.” That is one of two plausible interpretations. To date, the courts and Congress have supported the other one.

And you would be wrong -- as usual.

48 posted on 04/23/2010 9:30:51 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: OldDeckHand

The only people who made it an issue in 1964, and it was barely an issue, was the kooky left.

It’s actually not a “slam dunk.” Puerto Rico also is a territorial possession, but the presidential eligibility issue for Puerto Ricans is not resolved.
http://www.puertorico-herald.org/issues/2003/vol7n38/Poll0738-en.html

This is why Justice Thomas and Rep. Serrano had a recent joking exchange about the matter.


49 posted on 04/23/2010 9:30:53 AM PDT by DrC
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To: panthermom
His Father was NOT a citizen!!!! NBC=2 Citizen Parents!!!!!

Not really, but this isn't even what Col. Terry Lakin is arguing.

50 posted on 04/23/2010 9:32:15 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: jwparkerjr

I thought the age requirement was 35? Am I mistaken?


51 posted on 04/23/2010 9:32:31 AM PDT by RC2
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To: El Gato

Father was not even a resident alien with a green card, he as a student!

I don’t understand why it is so hard for people to grasp that NBC means 2 Citizen parents.....I think they worry that maybe they are not considered NBC’s.

There is a reason why NBC is stated as a requirement.

It truly is that cut and dry.


52 posted on 04/23/2010 9:34:02 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: jwparkerjr

There was a face book entry on a long ago Obummer’s face book where he states he was born in 1957 (before Hawaii was a state) and there was a conversation about that very thing on Citizen Wells just yesterday. If, indeed, he was born in 1957, as he himself claimed, that means he is a ringer...and not Stanley Ann’s child. The plot thickens...on a plot that is already so thick it is pea soup. More questions than answers with this sham President voted in with a sham electoral vote.


53 posted on 04/23/2010 9:34:02 AM PDT by kiltie65
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To: Kleon

NO that court was wrong. Words matter
“They will echo the Ankeny v Gov of Indiana case, where the court said, “persons born within the borders of the United States are natural born citizens, for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

look up the difference between NATIVE BORN and NATURAL BORN. Big difference.Our constitution states Natural Born as requirement to being POTUS


54 posted on 04/23/2010 9:36:07 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: kiltie65
If, indeed, he was born in 1957, as he himself claimed

When did he ever claim he was born in 1957?

55 posted on 04/23/2010 9:36:25 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: RWGinger
look up the difference between NATIVE BORN and NATURAL BORN. Big difference.Our constitution states Natural Born as requirement to being POTUS

The Constitution makes it clear that native-born means that you're a citizen at birth. There's nothing in the Constitution that creates a separate class of citizens who are born as U.S. citizens but not actually natural-born citizens.

56 posted on 04/23/2010 9:38:19 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: Kleon
While that's an interesting interpretation, no court in the United States is ever going agree with you.

Wrong:

"THE VENUS, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Marshall, C.J. concurring) (cites Vattel’s definition of Natural Born Citizen)

SHANKS V. DUPONT, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830) (same definition without citing Vattel)

MINOR V. HAPPERSETT, 88 U.S.162,167-168 ( 1875) (same definition without citing Vattel)

EX PARTE REYNOLDS, 1879, 5 Dill., 394, 402 (same definition and cites Vattel)

UNITED STATES V WARD, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D. Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel.)"

57 posted on 04/23/2010 9:39:39 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Kleon

Do some research. Read Benjamin Franklins letters written during the writing of the constitution where he discusses researching Latrell’s writings on natural born( although that is not the exact term Ben used)
Then read John Jay’s letter to George Washington

It is all right there


58 posted on 04/23/2010 9:42:15 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger

Vatrell
not latrell
fridays!


59 posted on 04/23/2010 9:44:04 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger

Vatel, not Vatrel :)


60 posted on 04/23/2010 9:45:23 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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