Retired Army general: Lt. Col. Lakin has 'valid point'

World Net Daily ^ | April 23, 2010 | Chelsea Schilling

[Smokeyblue]

A retired Army general and national security policy expert says Lt. Col. Terry Lakin has "a valid point" and should use his "right to discovery" to force the Obama administration to produce proof of his natural-born citizenship status.

In an interview with Evil Conservative Radio, Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely said, "I think many in the military – and many out of the military – question the natural-birth status of Barack Obama. … I'm not convinced that he is [a natural-born citizen]."

Vallely, CEO of Stand Up America U.S., graduated from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point and was commissioned in the Army in 1961, serving 32 years.

He said he inspected his own long-form birth certificate, and it contains a doctor's name, date and location of birth.

"But he's never been able to produce that," he said of Obama. "His unwillingness to do it also concerns me. I think Lt. Col. Lakin has a valid point. … He refuses to produce a birth certificate that states the witnessing of the birth, the date and who is the doctor. We don't know why he won't come out with that."

[Mr Rogers]

They simply assumed your definition was wrong. If they thought it right, they could not have certified him to be put on the ballot or the election.

[bgill]

I think it’s also possible that what is being hidden is that Obama Sr. was not his biological father. There is speculation - and all there can be at this point is speculation - that Frank Marshall Davis was his father. Maybe Obama was deemed a more “palatable” choice (wasn’t Davis married?) and so the deception has been kept up.

This is 2010. No one cares if his father cheated on his wife with a teenager and had a kid by her. That little scandal isn't worth $2 million and his office. The only thing that is worth that is his NBC. Even with Obama Sr. listed as papa, there are many who don't want to understand NBC. He knew all the legal avenues and public opinion would give him plenty of time to destroy the country before he was finally given the boot. But, seriously, fathered by a married man is in no way worth all the trouble.

[Beckwith]

if he applied for US citizenship by age 18

The United States does not strip citizenship from native-born Americans because of the actions of their parents.

If Obama was adopted, he had a six-month window, starting on his 18th birthday to "affirm" his citizenship.

Whether there was an adoption, or whether he complied with the Immigration and Naturalization Act is unknown -- like everything else about Obama.

Obama has a thousand loose ends. His life history evolves as each new lie is revealed, and it's always because someone "misspoke" or made a "mistake" or it's a "smear."

There is no one in this forum, or anywhere else for that matter, than knows the real story about this guy.

I don't think Obama does.

[little jeremiah]

Ah, that’s interesting. But still, no one other then whoever put it on the internet has actually beheld the paper eye to eye or in their hand.

[butterdezillion]

Don’t even get me started on the Hawaii DOH.

It was the HDOH who confirmed that the Factcheck COLB is fraudulent, because

1) The HDOH made a statutory admission (and repeated it multiple times when asked about it) that Obama’s birth certificate has been amended. DOH administrative rules (which were illegally hidden from the public until Nov of 2009) say that all birth certificates (which includes the abbreviated certificate, or COLB) must note amendments. Since Factcheck doesn’t note the amendment we know it is a forgery. And

2) Janice Okubo has stated that all Oahu birth certificates have always been received by the state registrar and given a number by the state registrar on the same day - the “date filed”. The Factcheck COLB has a “date filed” 3 days before the Nordyke twins’ but a certificate number 2 later than theirs. In the past this has been explained by hospitals having pre-numbered certificates or by piles of BC’s sitting at different secretaries’ desks for 3 days awaiting processing. But Okubo has directly eliminated those explanations. Because the “date filed” and certificate number are incompatible we know that at least one or the other has been altered and the COLB is thus a forgery.

Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17 says that an amended birth certificate doesn’t qualify as prima facie evidence; it is mere legal hearsay.

The reason that Obama posted the forged COLB instead of the genuine one he has in his possession is because there are 2 items he needs to hide:

1) the certificate number of 151-2006-xxxxxx (which shows that he forged the certificate number AND that his BC was only completed in 2006); and

2) the note of the amendment, which means that the certificate is not prima facie evidence and the burden of proof thus falls on Obama to prove that the claims on the BC are accurate - rather than someone else to prove them false. That’s some serious doo-doo for him.

Any legal proceeding would require Obama to show the genuine COLB, which would then require him to show the genuine original and all the supporting documents. Obama knows that if he has to do that, he’s toast. That’s why he is fighting the lawsuits so hard and why he will rescind military orders rather than allow a soldier to reach the discovery stage of a legal proceeding.

That’s why Lt Col Lakin’s stand is so vital - because he can’t simply be dismissed, and if he is found guilty in the military without being given a chance to defend himself via discovery, he can take it to federal court, with standing.

Documentation is at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/

[Mr Rogers]

“How does the Supreme Court rule 5-4 with regard to the 2nd Amendment?”

We’ll find out. But unless you are willing to advocate the violent overthrow of the US Government, you will be stuck with what the Congress & Supreme Court say. Elections have meaning in a republic, and money wasted on birther court cases to nowhere would be better spent getting good folks elected.

[ASA Vet]

Another new after-birther heard from.

[little jeremiah]

More than a few donned the egg ornament from their first day.

[Las Vegas Ron]

No, because Blackstone’s original definition would have excluded someone who had divided loyalties.

Well, that nails obama then, his father was not an American citizen but a British subject giving obama a divided loyalty.

The Founders used the term Citizen in the Constitution for a very good reason, they fought to get away from being subjects.

[Mr Rogers]

“Like renewing your [Indonesian] passport to travel to Indonesia and Pakistan?”

If he did that, he would need to be removed from office immediately.

[bgill]

...And when I went to the California Department of Motor Vehicles with my 16 year old son to apply for a Driver’s Permit with a COPY of his birth certificate, they sent us home to get the real thing.

Texas demands the real thing, too.

[Beckwith]

I don't know for a fact, but it is my understanding that a conviction under the UCMJ can always be appealed to the federal courts system.

I'm sure there's a FReeper who knows the definitive answer and will respond to you.

[Cboldt]

-- Testimony behind the Leahy resolution specifically identifies a "natural born" citizen as a person with TWO American citizen parents. --

The thought occurs to me that the Senate could pass another resolution stating that all dual citizens, born on US soil, are natural born citizens.

it should pass easily, as no Senator challenged the votes of the electors who cast ballots for a dual citizen..

[rxsid]

"The strictures you place in your citations would have disqualified both McCain and Obama from their candidacies. It would seem to me that you should look at English common law and not the French philosophes for our definition. I believe Blackstone’s definition of ‘natural born subject’ was probably more what the founders had in mind. Great Britain of that age was a world-wide empire. Like McCain’s father, they had citizens on foreign lands having children..some by local inhabitants, some with wives from the home country they had taken along. It was necessary to define who held the full rights of British citizenship and who did not."

The problem with using Blackstone as the source for the definition is that you must be willing to state that the framers made a Natural Born Citizen of a Constitutional Republic equal in meaning to that of a Natural Born Subject of a crown. Otherwise, how could they (you) take the definition of one distinct term and make it apply equally to the other distinct term?
They didn't need to make that (impossible) stretch when the definition could be found right there is a source they were very familiar with.

Furthermore, using Blackstone, Obama's allegiance to the British crown would be permanent:

Clearly, this is not what the framers had in mind with the NBC requirement.

[Lumper20]

Every time Zero’s BC is questioned you bring up your COLB and Illinois DL.

Your DL is not a TS security clearance. Hell, we had illegals and Muslims get DL’s in TN with no questions. You want to bet your life that you are right?

You can. Go to Afghan and obey Obama.

[Las Vegas Ron]

True, except who ever gave it to them to post.

Gibbs said that they did.

BP2 has pics of the two kids from Factcheck who supposedly verified it.

[panthermom]

I am not advocating a violent overthrow of the government, we have been on the slow boat to no return and they pushed the limit by allowing someone who is clearly ineligible become President because for years they thought us too stupid to care and knew most were too scared to challenge a Black president.

[Lumper20]

You really believe that the Pres never gives direct military orders?

[Beckwith]

I have never suggested Obama was not born in Hawaii.

According to Hawaii, COLB’s were not accepted by their own Homelands Department — until they started covering up for Obama.

http://theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiiRulesOne.jpg

http://theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiiRulesTwo.jpg

http://theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiiRuleThree.jpg

Obama is nothing but a collection of loose ends, and none of this makes you suspicious in the least — not one bit.

Obama’s your guy. You’ve made a choice, and you’ll stick with no matter what evidence is presented that this guy ain’t on the level.

That makes you a dupe.

[Las Vegas Ron]

Another new after-birther heard from.

My initial thoughts too but I thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt for a little while....