Posted on 04/02/2010 9:26:33 AM PDT by Colofornian
If these are NOT the standards of the church, why are they included in the Temple Recommend questions?
Harry Reid, "Mormon of the Year" by Times and Seasons, invited to speak at mormon events...when on its face, he is not being held to standards demanded of others. His dishonesty in the backroom deals during the Obamacare debacle were right out there for everyone to see.
No, it shows that the LDS CHURCH IS NOT LED BY THE UNCHANGING GOD AS MEMBERS ARE TAUGHT, and that you as members should expect to be blown to and fro as the church continues to change. This whole thing kind of reminds me of Orwell's Animal Farm.
Two legs bad, four legs good = LDS "We're not Christian" during the Joseph Smith, Brigham Young days.
Four legs good, two legs better = Current LDS claims of LDS Christianity.
It just goes on and on and on....
I hope patrior groups relaize they CANNOT trust mormons in this respect, they will cave in and switch side en masse when it counts the most.
What? Since when has Harry Reid only spoken on pro-abortion issues, and not acted?
Why have you bought into the liberal tactic that vying for the abortion industry is only something done in the mind -- as they try to frame it, a "choice"...or as you've just done, only a "vocal chord" issue of an "opinion..."..."free speech"...
I'm sorry, but when Congress passed socialized "healthcare," it wasn't simply something they expressed an opinion about. They didn't just get on their soapboxes and say, "We're going to use these to show we have constitutionally protected 'free speech.'" They acted!
And Harry Reid has not only further opened the door to govt-subsidized abortion -- thru what will be expanded by the liberals...but his voting record reveals the same thing!!!
And THAT is MUCH, MUCH more than simply what you cravenly reduced it to...
..."expression of opinion"
..."point of view"
..."freedom of speech"
(Maybe you need to go back to high school so you can discover the difference between an opinion, a point of view, a worldview, and an actual congressional vote!!! Your sickening defense of Reid calls for a new barf alert just on this post alone!!! And what's your motivation for such a defense???...for reducing his actions to editorial- page status??? Would you defend a non-Mormon politician with his track record in the same manner????)
You need to dump "Reaganesque" as your screen name 'cause this post alone highly disgraces his name!!!
Do you need a refresher on some of Reid's actual VOTES?
According to On the Issues, He Voted NO on restricting UN funding for population control policies. (Mar 2009)
* He Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
* And he voted NO on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
Now those are ACTION...those weren't worldview expressions only...those weren't mere opinions...those were votes that resulted/results in more dead pre-born babies!
Likewise, Reid voted against the ban on same-sex marriage in 2006. That wasn't just a moral opinion!!!
As of 2007, ontheissues.org said Reid had voted with the Democrats on 95% of his votes...and who knows, that % has likely only gone up since then!!!
And you need to drop the liberal tactic of putting words in my mouth. I have at no point endorsed Mr. Reid or his ideas and policies and neither has the church, no matter how you spin this story. I have merely stated that BYU has allowed him to speak as they have with many other speakers with various opinions. Real universities do that. Banning people from speaking is something the left does. Just ask Ann Coulter. Conservatives understand that such behavior is unacceptable. The Constitution means something. Freedom of Speech means something. But this isn’t about either of those things for you and your crew. When it comes to condemning the LDS church you will throw every last principle you claim to hold dear out the window.
All mormons are equal...
Some are more equal than others...
Reid is one of the some...
Don’t let the argument be turned into a faith debate, FRiend.
We can disagree with Reid without allowing others to change the machinations to be directed at a faith, rather than an individual who makes poor choices. Reid is making poor choices, some will find any excuse to attack a religion, you’re dealing with them now. This story has been reposted just a few minutes ago, via Fox, I wonder if the thread will go the same way again.
I have to agree with you on this one. I am a life long Mormon but I can’t reconcile Harry Reid’s politics with church doctrine. I don’t understand how he can promote abortion as he does and keep his membership in the church. I can only assume that he is tolerated because of his influence in Washington. That is a very sad thing on many levels.
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One sure has to tie themselves up in knots to defend mormon leaders approval of Reid and tacit approval of his actions.
Your comment "We either believe in the Freedom of Speech and the Constitution or we don’t is hilarious, given the mormon practice of excommunicating those whose opinion on doctrinal matters differs from the church dogma. Just ask the September Six.
"Although Doctrine and Covenants Section 93 states that “the Glory of God is Intelligence,” the recent history of the Mormon church has been one of suppressing intellectuals who use their intelligence to write truthfully about the history of the church.
Elder Boyd K. Packer, a former member of the First Presidency, led the effort to ex-comunicate six scholars who were members of the Mormon church in September of 1993.
The six academics ex-communicated for telling the truth about church history would become known as the September Six. Critics of the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints point to this and the more recent dis-fellowshipping of Grant Palmer, author of An Insider's View of the Mormon Origins, as proof that the Mormon church is anti-intellectual.
The early Mormon church valued knowledge and went to great lengths to set up Brigham Young University after the Mormons settled in Utah. The Web has made information available freely, making it easier to discover aspects of the history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints that are not faith promoting.
Elder Boyd K. Packer stated that feminists, homosexuals, and so-called intellectuals were a danger to the church a year after the scholars and authors that comprised the September Six were ex-communicated."
Read more at Suite101: The September Six: This Event Started Boyd K. Packer's War on Mormon Intellectuals http://mormonism.suite101.com/article.cfm/mormon_intellectual_decline#ixzz0k2wkfHOU
You're compartmentalizing now. You're trying to make a distinction between what Reid does on the floor of Congress vs. what Reid does @ a BYU pulpit.
How ironic coming from a Mormon! Why? Because we get preached to all the time how Lds don't separate works from who the rest of that person is. Essentially, how works basically "define" the Mormon person ("saved by grace AFTER ALL YOU CAN DO").
I have at no point endorsed Mr. Reid or his ideas and policies...
(Yeah, ya wanna highlight some of Reid's "all you can do" list of "goodies" that's qualified him to make him BYU worthy as a speaker???)
So are "works" only convenient for Mormons to emphasize when they're on a mission, but not when Reid's mission is the floor of Congress???
Banning people from speaking is something the left does.
What a liberal understanding of this!!!
Just because you don't invite someone to speak doesn't = "banning" them!!! You are hilarious!!! Think of how many people EVERY university doesn't invite to speak on their campus.
Think of how many people EVERY university doesn't invite back to speak.
Are you now going to try to tell us with a straight and serious face that anybody who either hasn't spoken at a university or doesn't get invited back has been "banned" from that campus????
This is a liberal view of censorship! How? Because, in reality, the govt is the only one who can censor something (and usually it's something already published)...A school library cannot stock every book in the world. They make stocking decisions upon a variety of reasons...and just because they don't carry 99.9% of the books out there, doesn't mean they have "banned" 99.9% of books from their shelves...yet if a parent, for example, encourages a school to withdraw a library book -- and police themselves via standards and self- discipline...schools and liberals will often accuse that parent of "banning" and "censorship."
It's been the liberals' knee-jerk reaction for years. If you don't believe me, look @ how People for the American Way (Norman Lear's liberal operation) has been pulling that stunt with their annual "Banned Books" month they celebrate. You haven fallen into the PFAW trap.
I'd like either Reid or some church flack to explain how public funding of abortions fits into church doctrine and practice.
Everything I learned about how to treat a president you don't agree with, I learned 2001-2009.
Oh, please...are Fireside chats also a forum where a diversity of opinions is sought or tolerated?
In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.
1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.
I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.
Ezra Taft Benson
(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)
Exactly.
(Nice to also know how you put up a defense for Reid's pro-abortion and pro-same sex marriage rhetoric he gave @ BYU in October, 2007...all in the name of your "pro-choice" campus speakers express a "diversity" of opinions and worldviews...So who's next as a BYU speaker in the name of "diversity"...Nancy Pelosi?)
Sorry to miss this thread. Reid is hooked up with every porn lawyer in the state. A Mormon Mormons should be ashamed of.
And is it still true that Las Vegas is the #2 producing porn region (behind the San Fernando Valley in SoCal)?
[And is it still true that Las Vegas is the #2 producing porn region (behind the San Fernando Valley in SoCal)? ]
They are linked together, literally by the mob. Daxton Brown goes into some of this in his book, HARRY: Money Mob and Influence. Terry Gordon, Jack Gordon, Joe Conforte, David Burgess, Rick Rizzolo and other names come to mind.
Sounds like John Kerry Catholics.
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