Why Obama is ineligible – regardless of his birthplace

World Net Daily ^ | April 01, 2010 | Leo C. Donofrio, Esq.

[Seizethecarp]

The following discussion assumes President Obama was born in Hawaii and is a United States citizen.

The purpose of this article is to highlight judicial and historical evidence suggesting that a "natural born citizen" must be born in the United States to parents who are citizens. By that definition, Obama is not eligible to be president. Therefore, his presidency and official administrative acts remain subject to being rendered void by the Supreme Court.

[Eye of Unk]

April is a good time to concentrate on the advertising that America needs to realize that Obamacare either for or against is either way not a legal standing law.

For all those wanting healthcare what is going to happen the day its proven beyond a doubt and globally that Obama was an usurper?

The trolls do realize it will happen eventually, it may not be this year or the next but it WILL happen, and way before Healthcare becomes effective.

It would be better off for EVERYONE if it was proven NOW that Obama is an usurper, elect someone who has the STANDING to pen Healthcare Reform into law.

Everything he has signed means absolutely NOTHING, because he has no legal authority as President, America was conned and now being forced to lie about the truth.

How many years, decades or future generation will have to live our failure to be truthful?

[Uncle Chip]

What's ridiculous and moronic is your perpetual reliance on Wong Kim Ark for the support of your regimist, citing British law on "subjects" rather than American law on "citizens".

You quote Justice Gray as if he were your holy prophet and yet you ignore all the other Justices who give a clear definition of "natural born citizen" consistent with that of our founders. And where did Gray ever say that Wong is a "natural born citizen"??? Nowhere. That is what we call sophomoric and moronic.

If Wong Kim Ark is your constitution, then all your selective reading of it proves is that Obama is a "natural born subject" of Britain and fully qualified to run for the office of Queen.

[OldDeckHand]

"I love the part where zero in a debate years ago with former ambassador Alan Keyes when challenging ozero about his Kenyan birth got this reply:"

Absolute, unadaltered BS. It never happened. Those words were were NEVER spoken by Alan Keyes, nor was the response given by Obama. Just more in the birther-lore that gets repeated and repeated, without citation, but believed by all the weak-minded fools who buy into the crazy-ass conspiracies. But hey, don't take my word for, take the word of Alan Keyes.

There were two debates between Obama and Keyes in the run-up to the 2004 IL Senate race. Luckily, we actually have the transcripts to those two debates. Ironically, Keyes being ever the archivist, actually posts both transcripts on his own website. The can be found below...

U.S. Senate debate sponsored by the League of Women Voters in Illinois, Oct 21, 2004

Alan Keyes and Barack Obama debate, hosted by Illinois Radio Network, October 12, 2004

Now, was there anything close to what you state (as fact) was said? Ah no. But, there was this exchange from the debate on October 20, 2004...

KEYES: --at the door of the voting booth or public service, suggests something utterly incompatible with what the Lord ourself told us, Himself, rather, told us--

MAGERS: (talking over) Thank you, sir.

KEYES: --about the meaning of life.

MAGERS: Senator Obama, you have thirty seconds.

OBAMA: I don't need Mr. Keyes lecturing me about Christianity. That's why I have a pastor. That's why I have my Bible. That's why I have my own prayer. And I don't think that any of you are particularly interested in having Mr. Keyes lecture you about your faith.

What you're interested in is solving problems like jobs, and health care, and education. I'm not running to be the minister of Illinois. I'm running to be its United States Senator.

Gee, do you see anything there about his citizenship, either asked by Keyes (or the moderator), or answered by Obama? And yet, somehow, this gets bent, twisted and massaged into the story that you repeated. Amazing. What other birther facts and lore came to be in the exact same fashion?

Per the transcript, the words "Kenya", "Kenyan" weren't uttered by anyone in either debate. The words "birth certificate" were uttered, by Keyes and here is the relevant excerpt..

...Now, everybody should understand this. This isn't a child in the womb.

A fully-born, human infant for whom a birth certificate will be issued and a death certificate will be issued--and in between those two issuances, the child is not being treating with the same respect that you or I would demand for our right to life.

Now, will this keep you from continue to post your unsubstantiated urban legend? Nope, because imbeciles never let facts get in the way of a "great" story.

I guess it begs the question, why would you repeat something that is so self-evidently untrue. Are you so vacant of intellectual curiosity that you will believe anything written by anyone that supports your birther conspiracy theory?

[OldDeckHand]

"If Wong Kim Ark is your constitution, then all your selective reading of it proves is that Obama is a "natural born subject" of Britain and fully qualified to run for the office of Queen. "

Just more evidence you don't even understand the definition of "constitutional law", nor do you have the capacity to understand Supreme Court decisions.

[Marine_Uncle]

Little time right now to indulge in these posts, but thanks for the ping.

[danamco]

You have been here less than one year!!!

What is your real agenda of posting here defending an unqualified usurper (illegal alien?) put in the White House by unknown(?) powers to take our nation down the Socialistic lanes. Your late postings here on this matter is very, VERY suspicious, Mr. Deck-Boy (Skyhook)???

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[Electric Graffiti]

Great post BP2.

[Uncle Chip]

Just more evidence you don't even understand the definition of "constitutional law"

Is that the same "constitutional law" that was consulted for the Senate's SR511???

or that defined the qualifications that every President in our history has met except the one who appointed your beloved Gray to the Court, leaving his papers in ashes to hide his shortcomings.

Oh, I'm sorry, you said "definition". Is that the 19th century "definition" before 1998??? or that definition that keeps changing every year from law school to law school??? or your new and improved definition???

nor do you have the capacity to understand Supreme Court decisions.

No -- that seems to be your problem, not mine. You're the one who doesn't understand the Wong Kim Ark "decision", because nowhere in that case was he ever declared to be a "natural born citizen".

But please keep searching for more evidence and reading those Supreme Court decisions. You might actually come across those half dozen or more Supreme Court cases in which the phrase "natural born citizen" is defined for you.

[BP2]

Thousands of constitutional scholars and lawyers writing in a hundred law reviews and journals each month, and not one has proffered legal theory resembling the idiocy that BP2 just spouted, and yet you morons think it's "well researched". It's ridiculous.

I laid out, very clearly and with citations, the flaws with people like yourself who hang their hat on US v. Ark, and Justice Gray's "research" therein — at the outset of the Progressive movement here in the US. It's very clear and straight-forward to anyone who can get their head out of the Obama punch-bowl and into the books.

Instead of refuting those facts — instead of going beyond what Loren or Tes may have spoon-fed you via half-baked research — you're left with the ol' standby ad hominem of "idiocy", "delusional" and "nuts".

It speaks VOLUMES, as you've obviously reached the limit of your knowledge on this subject, and must retort with ad hominems.

When you're ready, I'll school you on Vattel, also cited in DC v. Heller (2008) — unlike Dicey's "Conflict of Laws".

Note: The Colonists had access to an English version of Law of Nations — used by Patriot lawyer James Otis in 1765 — that pre-dates the 1797 English translation ... a fact lost on the Obots who wander through FR, who are too busy tripping over each other trying to defend Obama.

[OldDeckHand]

"Your late postings here on this matter is very, VERY suspicious, Mr. Deck-Boy (Skyhook)???"

If you're going to start calling people names, allow me to respond in-kind, retard.

How about addressing the fallacious argument asserted by "rodguy911"? Like so many claims in "birtherdom", his has proven to be categorically FALSE. How do you respond, by impugning the intentions of the person who highlighted the clearly baseless claim.

My intentions are plain - there are nuts aplenty scattered across the conservative political landscape and my sole purpose in life is to crush them just like Buckley crushed the Birchers. The country is faced with too many REAL problems to for right-thinking conservatives to concern themselves with fairy-tales, fantasy and urban legend.

You and Orly Taitz can continue "fight the good fight". I'll make camp with Ann Coulter, Mark Levin, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh and countless other legitimate conservative activist who plainly want NO PART in this nonsense.

To date, not a SINGLE conservative legal or political think tank, political action committee or public conservative activist has thrown in with the birthers. Why is that?

Because the birhters make conservatives look like unthinking, reactionary and intellectually vacant morons. No thanks birthers.

[El Sordo]

Aye, there’s the rub.

Polarik produced nonsense on a subject that he isn’t qualified or competent to deal with.

Then the ‘hundreds of links’ you refer to have a horrible tendency to be either circular arguments citing other blogs that cite other blogs that say someone once made some unfounded assumption about something, or they repeat some old Internet rumor that has been long debunked.

Then you assume that I am basing my views on what BHO says.

In a manner of speaking you could say that, yes, I have nothing. I have no reason to believe that BHO was born anywhere other than Hawaii to BHO Sr and SA Dunham. I have nothing because every virtually every piece of “evidence” presented to show otherwise has ultimately been found to be baseless, fabricated, incorrect or conjecture.

[rodguy911]

"No thanks birthers"

Yet you haunt these threads and fail to mention the validity of others like polarik, atlas shrugs and the many other links associated.

If you are so distressed with birthers and such a solid conservative why hang around troll?

[El Sordo]

“When a man runs for president, his life should be an open book.”

Perhaps. But that is not the way it is.

If you would like it to be so, work to change the laws. But do not expect laws to change after the fact to suit your whims.

[rodguy911]

Great post and right on BP2!

[Electric Graffiti]

Mark Levin and Sarah Palin both agreed there’s no reason for Ogabe not to release his Birth Certificate. Ann is coming around and like Rush is starting to poke fun at the fact we have an undocumented POTUS.

Pull those knee-pad straps tight....Obama likes it rough according to Sinclair.

[edge919]

That is the way it is. It’s why presidents release tax returns and medical records, or someone like Jo.Ke. who released his military records in 2004. We didn’t realize that a lack of personal transparency was the kind of change that Obama was really promoting.

[rodguy911]

Teriffic I think I see where you stand...
Keep voting for Obama,your check is in the mail.

[rodguy911]

ROTFLMAO!!

[El Sordo]

AWESOME!

You call me an idiot for not buying into the falsehoods that you choose to believe.

Then you repeat something demonstrably false.

Something readily verifiable as false.

Yet you call me an idiot because I check these things out and find them wanting? And you call me a troll because I question your fallacies?

All the while believing what you read on the Internet because it fits the narrative that you want to be true.

Do you see the problem here?

[little jeremiah]

What many of us do is just skip over the troll droppings. Then they just do a circle jerk with each other.

Keep in mind, butter - THEY WANT INFO!