Posted on 03/31/2010 11:41:30 AM PDT by george76
•Girl claims four men raped her.
•Two on good behaviour after plea deal.
•Dad gets longer sentence after punch.
THE father of a teenage sex assault victim in New South Wales who punched one of his daughter's attackers has been given a longer good behaviour bond than two of her alleged rapists.
a controversial plea deal that reduced the charges from rape to aggravated indecent assault, two young country footballers were given 18-month bonds for their part in the horrifying attack of the then 15-year-old girl.
They walked free from court. Two other accused are awaiting sentencing.
No one in the case can be identified.
Now 17, the victim has clear memories of a night that will forever haunt her.
"I couldn't move," she said of the horrifying sexual assault by four teenage boys
(Excerpt) Read more at heraldsun.com.au ...
Thank you! ;)
That is not right in any way, shape or form.
Are you totally crazy? Sharia law doesn't recognize rape unless 4 MALE witnesses to the crime testify, otherwise the woman is sentenced to stoning of some other horrific punishment under the fickin' abomination that is sharia law.
post 23, the statement “ the woman is sentenced to stoning of some other horrific punishment “ should be “the woman is sentenced to stoning OR some other horrific punishment”.
Yeah, that’s right. I’ll bet the 15 year old girl deserved it.
Who's talking about deserving it?
I was saying that the dad should have "educated" the girl so that she would know that she could prevent this kind of thing 99% of the time, by simply not being so drunk that she didn't know four boys were taking off all her clothes... doncha know.
The teenage girl made a youthful mistake. Doesn’t give anyone the right to rape her. To suggest otherwise is egregious.
I think if you read that post, you'll see that I'm saying that she should have been "educated" as to how she could prevent these sorts of things from happening.
I would say that a girl that knows she doesn't get so drunk that she doesn't know four boys are taking off all her clothes, will probably prevent that sort of thing from ever happening in the first place... you see...
A fairly simple solution I would say...
And people wonder why God made hell.
Well, they don't have to wonder any longer... the Bible says that God made it for Satan and those other fallen angels. The fact that some people end up there is their own doing..., because everyone in this world has a "way out" of that (but Satan and the fallen angels don't have a way out of it).
If that’s how you want to spin your post... sure, go ahead.
You said you didn’t think it was a good idea for a drunk girl to have a gun. That isn’t what she said.
And, I would venture to say, it's a good thing that the dad didn't have a gun either... or else the daughter would be having something else to lament about -- her father being in jail for a lot longer than those other guys...
You see..., if someone thinks that having a gun, and then solving such a problem after the fact of it happening -- is a "solution" -- then that kind of person shouldn't have a gun at all. They don't know what a gun is really for, then (at least not in terms of our laws here; although this is in another country).
If that’s how you want to spin your post... sure, go ahead.
I don't have to spin it... here's what I said, right off the bat ... :-)
It would be better if the father had impressed greatly, to the girl, the importance of not being so drunk that you don't know you're being stripped by four teenagers... doncha know...
... in Post #7
I would not punch a rapist. What’s the point? I would solve the problem permanently. Isn’t that what fathers are for? Isn’t that what I would want another father to do before the rapist was released after two years of “good behavior” and got my daughter the next time? BTW, I would not be caught; it’s not that hard to do this sort of thing right.
2) Teenagers often do not do what they are told.
3) Rape is a crime of violence.
4) Teenage girl drunk or not should not have been raped.
There are other FReepers on this thread who took your post to mean what I did... so perhaps it's in your phrasing.
You wrote:
“I was saying that the dad should have “educated” the girl...”
How do you know he didn’t? A young woman I know, only recently out of her teens, was raised properly by her loving but firm parents and yet that didn’t stop her from developing a binge drinking problem when she went off to college. She would drink until she passed out. She got busted by the cops, ended up in the hospital, was cut off cinancially by her distraught parents AND KEPT RIGHT ON GOING LIKE THAT FOR A MONTHS AND MONTHS ON END.
Sometime parents can do EVERYTHING right and their kids STILL do dumb things.
Why aren’t you asking why the fathers of the rapists didn’t tell their dumbass sons not to rape girls?
There are other FReepers on this thread who took your post to mean what I did... so perhaps it's in your phrasing.
Well, to make it clear, I don't say that women deserve to be raped. I never have. But, I do advocate that women don't put themselves in positions where that can happen and thus, advocate practicing preventative measures to reduce the liklihood of it.
And -- these days -- fathers (and mothers, of course) should impress it "so greatly" upon their daughters, that it's "absolutely clear" to them that if they do this (get that drunk that they don't even know that they're being stripped naked by some guys) that they are putting themselves in grave, grave danger, indeed.
That should be hammered home, to the point where they realize that it's almost a "guaranteed" -- "cause and effect" for this to happen exactly that way (i.e., getting raped) -- which is saying nothing about "someone deserving it" -- but rather, is teaching them how to be "smart" in life's journeys...
And as a comment on rape being a crime of violence, I would say in this case with four teenage boys, that it was less a crime of violence, and more a result of them being horny teenagers, having little respect for girls (probably from their upbringing), them taking advantage of "an opportunity" that presented itself, and then a function of the society's message of sexualizing almost everything, which I'm sure they're well "imprinted" on by now.
And again, this description has nothing to do with who deserves it, who is doing a crime -- but simply an explanation which recognizes the "reality" of the society that we're in (worldwide, it seems, or at least Western society, anyway) -- and how to "stay safe" and not have bad things happen to you (if one is a girl and has "choices" in which she can minimize something like this happening or put herself in grave danger of this kind of thing happening).
The law/legal system takes care of things (or is theoretically supposed to) "after the fact" -- while teaching and impressing on young girls about these things actually takes care of things "before the fact" and can prevent it from ever happening in the first place.
As a father of a girl, I'm for "taking care of things before the fact" -- than dealing with such a problem "after the fact"...
Good luck to you in the future...
I was saying that the dad should have “educated” the girl
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Because all lessons imparted to the young by their parents are always followed to the letter.
You are simply looking at this bass-ackwards. This is not about the girl, her mistakes, or what you think of her dad. It’s about the sex offenders who molested/raped her.
It’s really not that hard to figure out.
Sometime parents can do EVERYTHING right and their kids STILL do dumb things.
Parents need to do even more then... if a kid has a drinking problem like that, because that's going to ruin the rest of the kid's life, just on the basis of that problem alone, not to say anything about rape.
Sure, you do have problems with certain people (and that's "kids" who grow up into "adults") -- who seem to disconnect their "choices" in life with certain things that may happen to them.
I would go as far as possible with the "education" part of it, saying that it would be like someone deciding to run every red light that they see, when driving. They may get by a lot of red lights -- but I can pretty well guarantee them -- that they are going to get into an accident. And I can guarantee it by "their own choices"... alone.
And thus, I could say to a girl that even though it's a crime for some other guy(s) to do so, in a situation like described -- I can "guarantee you" that you are going to get raped in those types of situations if you keep it up.
So, the question becomes, "Does the girl want to keep up her choice in doing that, knowing that it's a guaranteed certainty that she'll get raped at some time, from that type of choice that she makes consistently?"
And I would also point out that it can happen in just "one instance" of it happening.
Then I would point out that the justice system "may" end up getting the legal justice that is mandated by law -- but also point out that this kind of justice, no matter if carried out to the full extent -- will never undo what has been done.
Why aren’t you asking why the fathers of the rapists didn’t tell their dumbass sons not to rape girls?
I think I said the same thing, in terms of the guys not having respect for girls, taking advantage of an opportunity, not knowing how to control their "horniness" and "buying into" the highly sexualized atmosphere of society, at large.
See Post #34 ...
I've also said in other posts (in the past) about the younger generation engaging in these types of activities and that it is being done (all sorts of sexual behavior with youngsters), either knowingly or not -- and that this is a direct result of the lack of teaching of the correct "worldview" that we live in today (Post-modernism, lack of a Biblical worldview and the highly sexualized atmosphere that we live in, in this society) -- all contributing to it.
People are giving young people totally mixed messages all throughout society by "actions" of other people, plus what is being taught to them in schools (and in society in general and by the peer group) -- to the point where they are actually being programmed into this type of activity.
Parents need to do much, much more than simply "impress greatly" upon their kids, about these things -- they need to given them a completely different "worldview" than the world they are growing up in (and thus, teach them to totally reject the current worldview and the reasons why) -- and give them the correct worldview by both "example" (of the parents) and their "teaching", too.
You are simply looking at this bass-ackwards. This is not about the girl, her mistakes, or what you think of her dad. It’s about the sex offenders who molested/raped her.
No -- it's also about wrong choices that will "absolutely guarantee" that a girl will get raped -- no matter who is doing the crime and no matter how wrong it is.
That's the message that really needs to be driven home. Criminals are there in society, that's a given. You're never going to get rid of them. All that one does (in a situation like this) is, deal with a crime that has happened -- after the fact -- through the justice system.
So, it then becomes a matter of how you conduct yourself in order to minimize criminal activity towards yourself. And a young girl in that situation has a lot of good, good choices to make in order to just about totally eliminate the threat.
It’s really not that hard to figure out.
I'll tell you what is not hard "to figure out" -- and that's what should have been driven home to the girl, absolutely so.
It's not hard to figure out that it's much much preferable to be dealing with a problem like this "before it happens" -- than -- dealing with this problem "after it happens"....
That's what should be very easy to figure out.
Good luck to you in the future...
Well, my daughter is grown now and has kids of her own. She also imparts the same type of message that she has learned well herself -- that there are criminals out there and that you "take measures" to protect yourself and avoid criminal activity by smart choices.
And that's what I do, too.
A person doesn't eliminate crime or criminals that way. Not at all. The criminals are still there, the crimes are still being done.
No..., what happens is that you shift the crimes away from yourself -- and onto others, who happen to be more foolish than you.
And, for those who don't "get it" -- no this is not an "absolute" solution, in terms of minimizing the risks by smart behavior choices that one makes for oneself -- but then again -- I think most FReepers recognize that fact anyway -- as that's why FReepers are "also" into protecting themselves by way of being armed, doncha know -- for those very few times, when smart choices and "behavior" doesn't quite "cut it" and you encounter a criminal anyway...
Just a heads up...the doncha know is really annoying.
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