Posted on 03/25/2010 12:45:04 PM PDT by conservativesister
I've searched FR, googled, and wicki-ed, the only thing I can find about removing a president is :
The House of Representatives has the power to bring articles of impeachment against a president. If articles are brought, then the president is considered impeached (but not guilty). A simple majority of the vote is sufficient to bring articles of impeachment.
Article 2, section 4 of the Constitution indicates reasons removal from office. "The President, Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
Obviously, The House isn't going to listen to the people, my question is what rights do the people have for recall (like Gov. Davis) or removal of the President?
Help! Help! I’m being repressed!
Funny, but I don't seem to recall any Fukino around the Constitution.
Furthermore, having made that statement, she is bound, BOUND I say, by Hawaiian State Law (The Hawaiian Uniform Informtion Practices Act) to release the paperwork that led her to make that extraordinary statement.
Well I guess if an Orange County Lady Dentist can practice bad law, so can a Hawaiian Lady Doctor, but without benefit of a "pass" on the bar exam .
I don’t see why INS can’t handle this. /s
That settles nothing.
He claims he saw it.
LOL... you're pretty funny... :-)
That's (1) the very state who has the original birth records and they're the only ones who maintain it (the State of Hawaii).
Furthermore, (2) that's the very agency of that state who has the birth records. And (3) that's the very person who is in charge of that very same department, who prints out a certified copy of a birth certificate, if and when a court demands one to be produced.
So, when I see that someone doubts the (1) very state who is in charge of the birth records, and (2) doubts the very agency who prints out the birth records and (3) doubts the very person who is in charge of that same agency -- then -- I know this person has gone off on the deep end and is residing in an alternate universe... :-)
Ahhh... now that’s a twist I haven’t read anywhere. I’m going to have to add that one to my list... LOL ...
All anyone has to do is report Obama to the INS and they’ll deport him... :-)
;-)
Either that or wait for some sloppy burglary down the street...
If somebody was questioning the existence of a document and I was a government official, I'd just SHOW it!
The fact that he SAYS it was there means NOTHING.
After so many years of watching what goes on in the political area - and this is a subject Obama’s entire career hinges on - the fact that an official in a DEMOCRAT state would lie to protect him wouldn't surprise me.
There was that story about a “Certificate of Live Birth”, another story about his Birth Certificate being burned in a fire.
I have MY birth Certificate and I know where I can get a copy.
So WHY the MYSTERY with Obama?
The only reason I can conclude that it has never been produced and that Obama has spent a small fortune in legal fees fighting birther cases in the courts - is the OBVIOUS.
It DOESN'T EXIST.
And you are residing in an alternate universe if you believe that this entire situation with Obama’s birth records and entire back ground history for that matter, is Kosher.
The only official vital record that proves place of birth is an original birth certificate, yet Chiyome Fukino intentionally avoided saying that Obama’s original birth certificate verified that he was born in Hawaii. Whatever records she cited, but failed to document, leave the question of birth wide open.
Second, there is no vital record in Hawaii that declares anyone to be a “natural born American citizen.” Either she was lying outright or was expressing a baseless opinion. Further, there’s no such thing as “natural born American citizens,” as in this country, you are a U.S. citizen, not an American citizen. It’s nice double speak, but not proof that Obama is eligible to be POTUS.
Okay so there was a fire. He still has the Birth Certificate he found among his mother’s belonging, upon her death in 1995.
Must have sentimental value and He would surely still have it.
He mused about it in “Dreams of my Father”.
You’re not implying Barry is a Jew, are you? /s
He just dissed his own people if he is. /s
So, if I want to know who is a "Natural Born Citizen," I ask Dr. Chiyomo Fukino? Cool.
Well, two things here... but first before those two things... one thing is clear, no matter what. Obama was born in Hawaii.
Now, the two things regarding this issue of "natural born citizen" -- which is a slightly different issue (according to some posters) than if someone is born in the United States.
(1) The State of Hawaii has lawyers and they advise on legal issues as they have an entire agency of lawyers. The only reason why the State of Hawaii issued this statement is because it was an issue that the State of Hawaii has been "hounded about" by many people across the country.
So, they are issuing a statement to the general public of this nation, addressing the conserns of the citizens across this country -- about (a) where Obama was born, and (b) if he is a natural born citizen. Therefore knowing about this issue, knowing its legal ramifications, knowing their responsibility as the only official holders of this record -- they are going to have their legal agency vet any such statement about this kind of issue to the general public of the United States.
I don't have any concerns about them having vetted it and letting it go out just as it is stated in that announcement, because they know it's true according to their records and true according to the law (and their attorneys that verified that very thing).
(2) The other thing is that you've got an issue, dealing with the "natural born status" of a person -- which is in dispute by various legal parties. Some say all that is required is someone is born in the United States. Others say that the parents citizenship is essential to determining that.
There's no question that this is the dispute on the "natural born status" of a person -- since it's being argued that very way.
Thus, the only way anyone is ever going to settle that legal dispute, about anyone's "natural born status" (whether it has to do with the parents' citizenship or not -- is for the Supreme Court to make that determination.
Until you get a case to the Supreme Court on the issue of whether a person's citizenship is affected by the citizenship of their parents -- you're not going to have this settled.
It's obvious that the State of Hawaii is on one side of that legal issue -- and it's just as obvious that you are on the other side of that legal issue. This dispute will not be settled in any thread on Free Republic. It will only be settled by the Supreme Court.
In the meantime, Obama is just as qualified as anyone else is, per the Constitution, as long as they meet those three requirements.
And you are residing in an alternate universe if you believe that this entire situation with Obama’s birth records and entire back ground history for that matter, is Kosher.
The alternate universe you're living in is if you think that after the State of Hawaii has officially stated that Obama was born in Hawaii -- that they are going to print out a document that says he wasn't ... LOL ...
[ given the fact that they are the only agency in the entire United States who is legally responsible for producing such a record... :-) ...]
It’s nice double speak, but not proof that Obama is eligible to be POTUS.
It's proof enough for the general public as far as official announcements go for any state that gives such a thing.
And if a court asks for "certified copy" that proves that Obama was born in Hawaii... guess who prints it out?
The same state and the same department that made that annoucement that Obama was born in Hawaii... LOL ...
Do you have a point?? You’re not really making one. No court has seen a certified copy of any vital record. And as far as ‘proof,’ Fukino’s statement was pure misdirection. The only vital record she needed to cite was the original birth certificate, yet she avoided doing so and made sure to tell us she was not talking about the original birth certificate.
If somebody was questioning the existence of a document and I was a government official, I'd just SHOW it!
There's no need to show it, as there is no legal requirement for any candidate to show a birth certificate. There never has been a legal requirement to show a birth certificate and no candidate has been legally required to show one.
What any candidate has done in the past, is the same thing that Obama did this last election, which was to swear that he qualified per the Constitution and sign that statement with a notary present. That's all other candidates have been required to do, too.
It DOESN'T EXIST.
You're back in that alternate universe again.
The rest of the American public, when they see the official statement from the State of Hawaii, saying that Obama was born in Hawaii... that's all the public will need to know and since they live in this universe... that will be it for the general public...
I am not so sure about this. Isn't the Quo Warranto rule statutory? (Maybe it's just common law, but I think I saw something about it being statutory.)
Besides, a federal lawsuit by any party with legal standing definitely does have the potential to force Obama to produce the original BC.
Inarguably concrete evidence --which is not the same as proof, of course--DOES exist to pose at least a serious challenge to Obama's eligibility. The two problems are: 1) demonstration of standing as a plaintiff, and 2) finding a federal judge and appellate judges up the line who are courageously reasonable, courageously honest judges.
Do you have a point?? You’re not really making one. No court has seen a certified copy of any vital record.
And no court will ever see one on the basis of being a candidate for President of the United States, because no candidate is legally required to show a birth certificate.
You can't "bring a case" for a law that doesn't exist.... doncha know...
I would direct this (another post) to “Ouderkirk”, since that was his quote...
Sorry, but a birth certificate is the standard document for proving birth and citizenship. All you have to do is look at the state department requirements for obtaining a passport. And speaking of ... what do you suppose Obama used prior to June 2007 to get a passport?? It sure wasn’t that jpg he has posted at his Web site.
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