Posted on 03/23/2010 10:14:19 AM PDT by MrChips
Edited on 03/23/2010 10:22:28 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Attorneys general from 13 states sued the federal government Tuesday, claiming the landmark health care overhaul bill is unconstitutional just seven minutes after President Barack Obama signed it into law.
The lawsuit was filed in Pensacola after the Democratic president signed the bill the House passed Sunday night.
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13 from the CSA perspective.
Defund Imperial DC. What use are they if they won't even defend our borders which is actually mentioned in The Constitution while health care is not. A parasitical entity like Rome was
Page 58 of the Health Care Bill, HR 3200, has been charged by republicans as allowing real-time access to individual's finances and mandatory National ID health cards. The section of the health reform bill, HR 3200, which has created the controversy reads below:
determination of an individual’s financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card'
The left has responded to page 58 accusations, by saying the health plans must determine your financial responsibility before you are issued an insurance plan. They also mention that anyone with health insurance has an insurance card.
IT SAYS THAT THE HEALTH PLANS IN THE EXCHANGE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DETERMINE YOUR FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY BEFORE THEY ISSUE YOU AN INSURANCE PLAN. YOU ALREADY HAVE ID CARDS IF YOU HAVE PRIVATE INSURANCE
Source: huffingtonpost.com
Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard. Barely True: Section 163 sets out goals for electronic health records. It says one goal should be real-time confirmation of which services a person qualifies for and how much they will have to pay. That could be achieved by machine-readable beneficiary cards, according to the legislative language. But the legislation does not require the cards.
Source: politifact.com
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/page-58-health-care-bill-national-id-health-card
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Is this still on page 58?
The CSA maintained it was 13.
The Associated Press badly needs serious competition. Somebody start a news service that hasn’t sold out to the Democrats.
Now, what can you do to get his Marxist @$$ kicked out during the next election?
Well, those States are racist, ignorant, and greedy. That’s all there is to it. ;)
When was the last time a state filed suit against the Government of the United States? When was the last time more than one state filed the same suit?
I thought the same thing...13 states. Where have we heard that before?
My Dauaghter lives in NW Houston. They have a house for sale across the street at 66% of value. Its more appealing
every day.
This is huge political capital for him, especially running against Pete Hoekstra.
You know Baker is not going to do anything, but the Senate passed bill 317 to exempt the state from having to comply with Obamacare. It is in the House now and I was told it would be voted on before the end of next week. Also, the Governor can join a suit since Baker won’t. I was told that he is considering the option.
They passed the bill on the anniversary of the Stamp Act.
They sign the bill on the anniversary of Patrick Henry’s Give me Liberty or Death speech.
Thirteen states stand up for liberty.
My goodness, this has lots of echoes to the AmRev....
That is correct.
Excellent, thanks for the update!
Amazing isn’t it? And inspiring!
What I find uncomfortable is that Congress has (IMHO unconstitutional) precedent on their side in three different ways they can sell this.
1) Precedent says that congress can tax whatever it wants however it wants so long as it doesn’t interfere with a specifically enumerated right - of which healthcare is not one. This is NOT what the framers had in mind, but that’s how it’s been interpreted for the past century.
2) Precedent does nothing to stop congress from imposing conditions on states to implement state-level regulations on things that the federal government can’t regulate in order to receive federal funds for unrelated programs. States have become so dependent on the federal government - unlike what the framers intended - that they have little choice but to go along.
3) Precedent takes a very broad reading of the commerce clause, wherein if any part of the subject matter in question crosses state lines, the federal government has the right to regulate it. Again, NOT what the framers intended, but it is precedent. Since patients and doctors do travel across state lines at times to get coverage, and healthcare affects interstate commerce, it would be affected by this overly-broad reading in precedent. The Rehnquist court helped narrow it (by ruling that a bill that banned bringing guns onto school grounds was unconstitutional), they still agreed that “Congress is empowered to regulate and protect the instrumentalities of interstate commerce, or persons or things in Interstate Commerce, even though the threat may come only from intrastate activities”. Even the Rehnquist court upheld a federal law banning medicinal marijuana, overriding California’s law on the subject, under the commerce clause - even though the marijuana was being grown and consumed solely within the state. Speaking of drugs, previously they were banned via a tax - see method #1. They’re currently banned using a commerce clause justification.
Basically, I have little hope for these lawsuits. By all means, fight the good fight though. If we’re really lucky, SCOTUS will overrule precedent. But I’m not optimistic. And I’m not optimistic for repeal, either. Barry is president for three more years (PLEASE just three...). We’re not going to get a 2/3rds vote in the senate; let’s not kid ourselves. Add on to that the time it takes to pass a repeal. By then, people are already going to be dependent on the handouts — the very thing that’s made it so hard to repeal medicare, medicaid, and social security. I just don’t see it happening.
Really, I’m just depressed about it all.
They better know what they are doing and stick to their guns.
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