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Opinion: Health Care Bill: Bart Stupak 'Limits the Harm'
Catholic Online ^ | 3/21/10 | Deacon Keith Fournier

Posted on 03/21/2010 4:06:43 PM PDT by tcg

...what has been clear throughout this extraordinary historic debate was that Congressman Bart Stupak was a faithful Catholic and a faithful Pro-Life DEMOCRATIC Congressman who refused to compromise on the first priniciples.

He has always supported the Health Care Reform package. He is, after all, a Democrat. He simply refused to compromise on the fundamental human rights issue of our age, the Right to Life. For that, he should be honored and thanked by all Pro-Life people.Even if he is wrong.

I was not surprised when he made his announcement. He was surrounded by other Pro-Life Democrats who had made the same decision with him.

He spoke of the "greement we have been able to reach" with the President. That agreement entails the issuing of what he called an "extensive" Executive order by the President immediately upon the passage of this legislation. He honestly believes that with this Executive Order, the current Hyde Amendment language will be protected in the law. He is confident that this Executive Order will ensure that the fatal flaw with this legislation, clearly set forth by the US Bishops, which undermined the fundamental Human Right to Life, will be cured. As a Constitutional lawyer, I strongly doubt it. Though I live in Virginia, I am, to use the old adage I'm from Missouri, show me!

I do not agree with this legislation for many important procedural, constitutional and substantive reasons. However, the first and fundamental reason I opposed it was that it DID indeed open up Federal funds for the killing of innocent children. If it did not, why is the President of the United States signing an Executive Order to cure the Bill?

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; abortion; bhohealthcare; catholics; healthcare; stupak
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To: PMAS

Please the catholic church does More Good under the radar than any other Institution. Bart stupak and Pelosi Vote fpor this Crap and My catholic church founded by Christ Himself is not to be trusted! the catholic Church is a counter cultural institution always has been always will be!

There would be No pro life Community without the Catholic Church.. Why aren’t you ripping the Protestants Thats what Obama is??


61 posted on 03/21/2010 4:32:56 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (....Nothing is more powerful than a man who prays...(St. John Chrysostom))
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To: tcg

A lot of Judas’s in the catholic church and congress.


62 posted on 03/21/2010 4:35:34 PM PDT by crosshairs
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To: philly-d-kidder

“Catholics are the only ones who stood up for Life since Roe vs wade”

Wow, not only arrogant, but a liar, too!!


63 posted on 03/21/2010 4:35:53 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: Frantzie

“Any shilling CINO Catholic who sides with this evil man is as evil as Stupak and his boss Lucifer.”

Couldn’t have said it better.


64 posted on 03/21/2010 4:36:11 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: 9422WMR

I agree with you and that is why I think that the Church should excommunicate all Democrats. I think the Church should give a one month warning stating that if a Democrat does not change or drop his or her party affiliation within one month the person will be excommunicated from the Catholic Church. It is impossible to be a true Catholic and be a Democrat.


65 posted on 03/21/2010 4:37:01 PM PDT by Sarah-bot (The bloom is off the fart blossum)
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To: philly-d-kidder

Thanks philly. I think many of our Bishops are too trusting. Obama threatened the Hyde Amendment which should have been a warning yet they continued to trust him. Jesus said he was sending us as lambs among the wolves and we must think like serpents. Our Bishops don’t think like serpents.


66 posted on 03/21/2010 4:37:10 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: tcg

What utter rubbish this is.


67 posted on 03/21/2010 4:37:29 PM PDT by Jazz1968
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To: tcg

Stupak is a tool.


68 posted on 03/21/2010 4:38:04 PM PDT by incredulous joe (Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow.)
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To: Sarah-bot
If the Catholic Church continues to appease liberals then it will wither and die.

It's my understanding that the catholic church supports amnesty for illegals too.
69 posted on 03/21/2010 4:38:42 PM PDT by crosshairs
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To: clintonh8r; workerbee

Not trying to hijack, but that was my suggestion about the money. There will be several democrats voting against, and I still think the best chance we have (had) to convince them to vote no was a more civil tone.

In all, I made that offer to three representatives, including Judas himself. I don’t think I’ll be donating much this week.


70 posted on 03/21/2010 4:39:07 PM PDT by phrogphlyer
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To: philly-d-kidder
Catholics are the only ones who stood up for Life since Roe vs wade

Quite a broad brush statement there.

Millions of Christian who are not Catholics have "stood up for Life since Roe vs wade"

So please don't bash Christian supporters of Life just because they don't belong to your church.

71 posted on 03/21/2010 4:39:21 PM PDT by Syncro (TPXIII coming soon! March 27th to April 15th 2010)
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To: tobyhill
Apparently you read my post before the moderator removed it...actually he was right...I was peeved and should not have posted that language..
72 posted on 03/21/2010 4:41:19 PM PDT by fedupjohn ("Facts are stubborn things." Ron Reagan.......Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: tatown
I’m sorry but why does the catholic church have so many pro abortion apologists within it’s ranks?

Where else would Satan better direct his minions? Every organization dedicated to truth and good is constantly attacked and infiltrated by those who serve lies and evil. This should not surprise us.

73 posted on 03/21/2010 4:41:53 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: fedupjohn
We're all peeved right now but keep in mind that Judas Stupak demonstrated to all Americans that all Rats have their price and would sell their first born if it got them what they want the most, power.
74 posted on 03/21/2010 4:44:37 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: crosshairs
It's my understanding that the catholic church supports amnesty for illegals too.

The Catholic Church supports both open borders and socialized medicine for all. This is economic and cultural suicide. But we're talking about abortion on this thread.

75 posted on 03/21/2010 4:45:54 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

I agree with you. The Catholic Church has been infiltrated. Read Malachi Martin’s ‘Keys of This Blood’ which is all about that. The Protestant Church has also been infiltrated by Satan - to our shame.


76 posted on 03/21/2010 4:47:03 PM PDT by plushaye (May God help us all!)
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To: crosshairs

Amnesty for illegals is not a religious issue, abortion is. The Catholic Church is strongly apposed to abortion, and abortion is part of the Democratic platform. I am not going to get into a Catholic good Protestant bad, Protestant good Catholic bad argument. Nether position interests me at this time. The only thing that interests me is preventing government funded abortion, and preventing the liberal takeover of our Country.


77 posted on 03/21/2010 4:47:24 PM PDT by Sarah-bot (The bloom is off the fart blossum)
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To: tcg
Congressman Bart Stupak is a faithful Catholic

Maybe. But he is also a baby-killing Nazi.
78 posted on 03/21/2010 4:48:42 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: tcg; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; V V Camp Enari 67-68; ..
tcg says:
Congressman Bart Stupak is a faithful Catholic. He is also wrong.Congressman Bart Stupak has at least "limited the harm" done by this Legislation. He has "lessened its negative consequences". He has acted in a faithful way as a faithful Catholic Christian in public life. For that he should be commended. Even if, like me, you disagree with his ultimate decision.
I disagree. Stupak has been rolled. He gets nothing. Pray for his soul, he let a slick political trick throw millions into the holocaust.
79 posted on 03/21/2010 4:50:44 PM PDT by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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To: philly-d-kidder

Wake up and get out of la la Land. It cracks me up when people always wonder why Jews vote against the interests of Israel. Well, Catholics don’t appear to be much different.

They all claim they are Catholics, but it seems far too many love the left even better.


80 posted on 03/21/2010 4:51:07 PM PDT by dforest
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