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Check out #'s 91, 92, 93.
[Thanks David and philman_36.]
Posted on 02/27/2010 5:02:33 PM PST by spacejunkie01
I have been paying fairly close attention to the massive questions surrounding BO's background and origin. One of the main things people cling to, to dispute the assertions that he was not born in the USA, is the newspaper announcement. Glenn Beck for one.
Prior to the election, when this was really bubbling up on FR but not really anywhere else, I seem to recall that some poster(s) checked the newspaper announcements in HI and his birth was NOT announced. Then, 6-8 months later, it appears.
My question is twofold; does anyone else remember any of the details of the early research that was going on to back this up and, is there any way to get a copy of the actual hard copy newspaper(s) from that day (archived in HI?) and cross reference whether his name is there like the microfishe shows. I do not see it unlikely AT ALL that some liberal librarians would falsify the record when things started getting hot on this subject. There also seemed to be some gray area around his certificate being out of sequence with the number and the Nordquist twins were NOT announced in the paper, possibly leading one to believe theirs was removed and replaced with his.
Actually, yeah they would. They are corroborating evidence which would certainly be accepted in a court.
by John Charlton The birth announcement in the Aug. 14, 1961 edition of the Star Bulletin, as obtained by the citizen-investigator and released to The Post & Email. (Image enhancement by the Post & Email). (Dec. 11, 2009) — The Post & Email has just received PDF files from a highly credible source, establishing that the birth annoucement in the Star Bulletin Edition of Aug. 14, 1961, for Barack Hussein Obama, is authentic.
The source of the electronic images is a patriot who collaborated with the now famous, Miss Tickly (TerriK), in the investigation of the responses of the Hawaii Department of Health, in regard to requests for information on Obama’s original vital records.
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/11/obamas-birth-announcement-in-1961-confirmed/
Thank you, Perry Mason.
lol, it’s on a REEL
that is a tape on a spool
it’s not on flat squares
You’re welcome, Hamilton Burger.
Take good care, it was fun debating the issues with you.
If a person has a British Father and an American Mother is that person a natural born Citizen and qualified to run for POTUS?
Well, as Slick Bill pointed out, "is" is an ambigous word.
In the context of a real judicial determination, is or isn't is what the Court determines.
As an abstract proposition there is a fine argument based on historical common law as summarized by the authors that one of the principal elements of Natural Born status is an established family position in the country. If that question had reached the court in the 1800's, likely the court would have held that your hypothetical probably didn't result in a natural born citizen.
However the political context has changed. There is a developing strong consensus that the Natural Born citizenship requirement is outdated; should be interpreted narrowly; should not mean anything anyway; and should be ignored. We are all citizens of a New World Order.
Many of even our conservative judges share that view.
The technical context of the answer today is also different--the function of the 14th Amendment in effective shifted the entire Constitutional framework of citizenship to "born in America" and has repudiated the historical characteristics of the naturn born requirements.
For that reason, I would predict, and I think most of the Constitutional Law bar would predict, that if you had your facts with respect to a person who was born in the US, there is little doubt that the Court would hold the person a natural born citizen for purposes of the Constitutional requirement.
Short answer..."I don't know."
How hard is that?
You must not get much work.
. . . . SP alert.
Check out #'s 91, 92, 93.
[Thanks David and philman_36.]
Strange, that exists right here on FreeRepublic too.
What would the signs of splicing be?
I think there are about 5 libraries in the entire US which have the archived microfilms. No actual paper copies that we’ve been able to find.
Marsha McFadden has some serious explaining to do. Wonder what we can find out about her...
Fact is no one knows or can possibly be certain how the courts would rule these days. Would they would take into account for example riots that migh ensue because of their findings of bammies ineligibility?
How could any one predict an outcome with all of the possible variables that would have an affect on their decision that in reality shouldn't?
David did a great job in laying out the reasoning for his opinion, you can't argue with any of it, it is solid and relevant. Any Any attorney who tells you he knows what the outcome of any case will be is a fool, run away as fast as you can from him.
The cheap shot you took at the end of your post was wholly unnecessary.
“The birth announcements constitute corroborating evidence of the parents’ home address in Honolulu and thus in the United States that is listed on the original birth vital records. Since they appeared a week after Obama’s birth date, they also help to corroborate when he was born as well as where he was born.”
Nonsense, the announcement would only corroborate other evidence relevant to the issue of whether a M/M Obama had some connection with the address provided in the announcement.
The issue, of course, is the place of birth of BHO Jr., not where his parents may or may not have resided at a particular time. The announcement has no corroborative value because there is no publicly available credible evidence to corroborate. The COLB in its purest, unaltered form would not constitute such credible evidence per the State of Hawaii.
You get the last word in our discussion.
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