The Gay Infiltration of the Conservative Movement

Right Side News ^ | Feb 23, 2010 | Cliff Kincaid

[DesertRenegade]

California Young Americans for Freedom (YAF) chairman Ryan Sorba generated a media controversy when he was shown at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) denouncing the organizers for inviting a homosexual Republican group, GOProud, into the event as an official sponsor. In "controversial" remarks, Sorba said homosexuality was unnatural and that he welcomed more debate and discussion about the subject from his political adversaries.

But what many people don't realize is that Sorba's "outburst" was provoked by a speaker who preceded him, Alexander McCobin of Students For Liberty (SFL).

McCobin went out of his way to use valuable time from the podium to thank the American Conservative Union, the main CPAC organizer, for making the controversial decision to approve GOProud's participation.

David Keene, a lobbyist, is the chairman of the ACU and personally approved GOProud's involvement in CPAC.

Sorba told AIM, "I think CPAC went overboard this year. I don't think he [Keene] should be sitting at the top of CPAC." He noted that CPAC over the last several years has also allowed groups such as the ACLU to have exhibits at the event.

"What's next?," Sorba asked. "Are they going to have Republicans for Obamacare? Republicans for free abortions?"

Incredibly, McCobin of SFL told me that his group "is not a conservative organization" and that "We spent this past weekend reaching out to the left and the right at both the Young Democrats of America's convention and the Conservative Political Action Conference. We are not left or right."

If they are not conservative, Sorba asked, "What are they doing at CPAC?"

No stranger to controversy, Sorba is the author of the book, The Born Gay Hoax (this is a working draft) and was shouted down at Smith College by lesbian activists because of his support for traditional values.

[manc]

nothing to do with religion for many
that is the mistake the homosexuals make.

many of us stand against their agenda because it is sick, not natural etc.

conservative believe in the traditional family and so when one wants to quip with are they are conservative then they should ask themselves do you think normal traditional marriage should now include anything what goes.

[manc]

there has been many pro homosexuals and their friends coming on this site lately, Ever since the military question came out or we have a few long term posters who now are showing their true colors.

Many were banned last week but we still have a few lurking and looking to spread their perverted agenda on here.

I had an argument with one guy who thinks that fathers should marry daughters because the Govt has no right to say anything about it

now that is just plain sick

[John O]

Gays can be conservatives. As long as they are not pushing the gay agenda like the log cabiners do.

If you know they are homosexual, then they are not conservative (with the rare exception if you found out about it accidently). The moment they say "I'm gay" they disqualify themselves as conservatives.

Conservatives do not build their entire lives on perverted sexual behavior. (There may be a conservative who's into bestiality for example, but he's not going to be promoting bestiality)

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

I started with the word “some”.

“Sick” and “not natural” are not arguments.
They are subjective viewpoints.

Before this post is taken out of context as support for a homosexual agenda, it says nothing one way or the other about civil marriage. Post 167 is key in that regard.

[manc]

so other will not imply you are trying to push the hiomsoexual agenda on here which we all know you would be banned for anyway as this is a conservative site not a perverted lefty pro homosexual site just answer this.

do you think homosexuals should marry each other?
should homosexuals be serving openly in the military?
should it be taught in schools?
should they be allowed to get kids and keep them?

if the answer is no to all of them then there is no way anyone can say you’re pushing a homosexual agenda on here right.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

The moment they say "I'm gay" they disqualify themselves as conservatives. Conservatives do not build their entire lives on perverted sexual behavior.

"Perverted sexual behavior" is not a political act or opinion. So your statement is nonsensical.

[John O]

Being gay is a human flaw like any other...over eating, promiscuity, drug addiction, etc.

We don’t exclude those faults from conservatism. I don’t see why we should exclude being gay...as long as they don’t flaunt it.

If they say "I'm gay" then they are flaunting it. What do tehir chosen sexual behaviors have to do with anyting conservatives stand for? Absolutely nothing. Yet their entire life is built around tehir perversion so even their politics has to be "gay".

The second law of homosexuality:
To the mentally healthy person (Heterosexual), sex is something you do.
To the mentally damaged person ("homosexual"), sex is everything you are.

[little jeremiah]

You said:

“Homosexuals who oppose government oppression and government action beyond that entitled everyone on a rational basis, and identify themselves as such and find themselves welcomed on that basis, can do as much for defusing the homosexual agenda as Black conservatives can for dismantling the welfare state. The opposite drives them necessarily into the arms of the left just for self-preservation.”

Can you please describe how government oppresses or has opprsesed homosexuals? It’s clear to me that the homosexual agenda is all about using Big Government to force their agenda.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

do you think homosexuals should marry each other?

Your question is poorly worded. I don't care whether homosexuals "marry" each other. I believe anybody can exchange promises anytime they want to, with or without a ceremony and without interference. That is a common marriage even if it is performed in a cathedral. I do NOT believe that a marriage other than one man and one woman is entitled to civil recognition or the benefits appertaining thereto for reasons clearly stated in post #167.

should homosexuals be serving openly in the military?

That depends on the opinion of the military. I'm willing to entertain a wide range of choices from a complete ban to whatever accommodation is consistent with discipline and good order.

should it be taught in schools?

I believe that human sexuality has moral implications which public schools are not equiped constitutionally to address. Not that public schools are equiped to handle its basic functions either. Teaching homosexual acceptance runs afoul of religious freedom. But I believe that the tenets of constitutional liberty should be taught and respected, whatever one may think of how someone else exercises them.

should they be allowed to get kids and keep them?

You mean, like "get" kids off the street and "keep" them like stray puppies? If you want to discuss politics, you need to use political language.

I believe there are situations where the right to raise children is inalienable, such as when the child is born to one (A child cannot be born to a homosexual couple.) I can imagine situations where there is no choice but for a homosexual parent to receive or retain custody. I can understand the state taking cognizance of the sexual preference of a couple in deciding who is best to raise a child. I think it is possible for homosexuals to be good, if not ideal, parents. I do not believe that it is right or constitutional to impose a single hard and fast rule on all 50 states. Therefore that leaves room for each state to consider the arguments and settle on what each wants to do within constitutional limits.

My answers may not satisfy you. But they clearly are opposed to most of any leftist gay agenda.

[manc]

the questions were easy for anyone if they felt strong with their convictions and nothing to hide.
the questions were not poorly worded at all they are simple.

Do you think homosexuals should marry? yes or no.

do you think homosexuals should serve openly in the military?
yes or no.

do you think homosexuality should be taught in schools?
yes or no.

very simple questions and if there is a yes in that then we all know you will be banned and what your agenda is as it is not a conservative one.
Pushing the pro homosexuals agenda is not tolerated on here and many have been banned in the last week.

so again is it yes or no.???

I look forward to your answers as many others will.

[manc]

ping to post

[ansel12]

More gibberish, I’m not interested enough in you personally to try and decipher these confused ramblings.

[John O]

John O->The moment they say "I'm gay" they disqualify themselves as conservatives. Conservatives do not build their entire lives on perverted sexual behavior.

"Perverted sexual behavior" is not a political act or opinion. So your statement is nonsensical.

Perverted sexual behavior is the very center of their life. It is the stone upon which everything the believe or support rests. Everything they do is aimed at forcing acceptance of that behavior. Forcing someone to accept perversion is not a conservative value

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Can you please describe how government oppresses or has opprsesed homosexuals? It’s clear to me that the homosexual agenda is all about using Big Government to force their agenda.

Sure. I believe that sodomy laws were improper and that Lawrence v. Texas was correctly decided. Sodomy laws were an example of Big Government and imposition of essentially religious values on private conduct. Private conduct is any conduct engaged in by the person alone or between competent consenting persons. The government should not be a party to it, including in the capacity of preventing it.

The gay agenda and Big Government post Lawrence is any demand for government to be a party to their activity, to recognize it, certify it, promote it or defend it. There must be an argument to do so analogous to support for presumptive children from heterosexual relationships in confering legal rights and economic benefits. I believe there is not, so I do not support any government action in support of homosexual relationships.

[trisham]

I do not support any government action in support of homosexual relationships.

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Civil unions support homosexual relationships.

[GenXteacher]

Murder= an evil practice.
Theft= an evil practice.
Arson= an evil practice.
Political Corruption= an evil practice.
Rape= an evil practice.
Homosexuality= an evil practice.

“All that is necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to stand by and do nothing”.

Conservatives are bound to oppose the incremental remove of the label evil- because once it is decided that gay is ok, then the other evil practices will soon follow. Then what will exist is anarchy. After that, autocracy follows. No one should have ever invited GOProud to anything ostensibly conservative.

[little jeremiah]

Okay, so you support the Homo-Nazi agenda.

Thanks for being honest.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Do you think that homosexuals should be prosecuted?

Do you think homosexuals should be imprisoned?

Do you think homosexuals should be castrated?

Do you think homosexuals should be shot?

How much government do you want?

[manc]

can’t answer then can you.

you’re no conservative, we believe in traditional values, traditional families and yet you have no problem with the homosexual agenda.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Civil unions support homosexual relationships.

I agree with you. I oppose civil unions though I think some rights are possible to contract that would be legitimate between any two parties without calling it any sort of union. For example, you should be able to make a prior designation of anyone to be able to visit you in the hospital even if there is no relationship at all.