Superior Swedish Sub Sinks American Nuclear Subs & Aircraft Carrier, USS Reagan (Video)

YouTube ^ | 12/12/10 | Chuck Henry

[OneVike]

Ever since WWII, America has been a dominant force upon the high seas. We have become so advanced in our military technology that the Soviet Union eventually collapsed, in large part because Ronald Reagan would not back down against them. In honor of his accomplishments and great leadership, congress named the worlds largest aircraft carrier after him, the USS Ronald Reagan. Well it has been 22 years since Reagan left office, and while we have been able to hold our status as the worlds most powerful military the world has ever seen, those days could be coming to an end.

Thanks in large part to the anti military sentiment that prevails in Washington, from both sides of the isle, America is losing the war of technical advancement. What you will see in this video is a submarine from Sweden the, NemoSaltadSobrius, that cannot be detected, and even worse it has repeatedly sunk our best and most powerful naval ships in mock war games. Check out this report out of San Diego by Chuck Henry, who reports that America is attempting to figure out how to catch in before our enemies discover the secret of its elusiveness.

Follow this link to see the video about the Swedish sub that could be the end America's domination of the
high seas. The Swedish sub "NemoSaltadSobrius" beats us in ever war game we played against it.
Swedish Submarine the NemoSaltadSobrius

[OCCASparky]

Bingo—I remember being on my last boat, playing games with the DE boats from other countries. The constraints put on us were so ridiculous as to be extreme. If it ever got into a “gloves coming off” shooting war, they’d be fine if they never left 25-50 miles from their homeport. Any farther out than that, and they’re screwed. Even diesel boats make noise on batteries, and they can’t stay on those forever.

[Doohickey]

But active sonar gives away more information than it collects.

You know what gives away a lot of information? The sound of an ejection pump cycling. That's the sound that normally follows a localizaton ping.

[OneVike]

You are right though on the numbers. Shermans eventually overwhelmed the German tanks. That was because air superiority and the eastern front knocked the he** out of the Germans production, If Hitler would have had a brain our many Shermans wouldn't have won the day, they would have produced enough Panthers that we would have lost the armor battle except for one other thing. We built a superior tank and fielded it at the end of the war.

Thanks for the lesson....

[OneVike]

Thanks, Ill check the sites out later when I get a free moment.

[Halgr]

It looks like most here aren’t willing to take the time to check the validity of this article.

Its real folks...a few clicks will enlighten you.

[Mariner]

"Ten to 15 knots is a more common advance speed".

NEVER less than 16kts and usually somewhere slightly above.

This to keep the escorts comfortable. However, these ships will easily do 40+kts, even for extended transit.

[OneWingedShark]

>>Most of you are talking about sinking a carrier?? Why sink a ship when all you need to do is cripple it.
>
>Crippled with or without the ability to field fighters?

If the carrier is crippled out of the fighter-range of the [next/main] attack then it doesn’t matter.

[OneVike]

Our own government has slipped into complacency just like the Axis did. Advanced aircraft and warships have been cut back or canceled, meanwhile other countries are moving ahead.

My exact sentiment. Those who get complacent with the success of their past, but fail to look ahead will inevitable fall to the ones who do.

Throughout history, one superpower eventually fell to the next because of complacency. Look to the Greeks and their long spears for battle, they conquered Persia. Then came the Romans who used the huge shields to defend themselves as they were able to get close enough to defeat the Greeks with their shorter swords at close quarters.

Then the Romans got complacent and lost to the many smaller terrorist nations that took advantage of Romes self indulgence. Kind of reminds you of America, huh?

[Pilsner]

He had no qualms about calling the Sherman an almost criminally inferior tank.

The Sherman was designed to match up with first generation Panzer IIIs, which were equipped with the same 37mm gun that the Germans used as an anti-tank weapon. The Sherman was dead simple to produce. The hull and turret were both cast in single pieces, in a fraction of the time the Germans needed to roll out, cut, fit, weld and bolt the plate armor they used on Panzers. The Sherman matched up very well indeed against the 37mm gun, either on a Panzer III, or PAK (anit-tank gun). The very first Lend Lease Shermans were an unpleasant surprise to the Afrika Corps (or Africa Corpse, and Obama would say), in 1942. Its armor was pretty good against the 37mm, and its 75mm gun was pretty good against 1st generation Panzer IIIs.

The problem was that by the time the Sherman got into action, the Germans were already seriously upgrading the armor and armament of the Panzer III, were deploying 88mm guns in an anti tank role, and were working on the Panther and Tiger, both of which completely outclassed the Sherman.

Bergerac inertia, and a stubborn "Ours is best, its gotta be the best, 'cause we're the Americans, and they aren't, so there is no way theirs can be as good as ours, much less better" refusal to face up to the Sherman's shortcomings, led to it being produced, without major upgrades, for far too long.

The United States Navy warship I have ever set foot on is the battleship Texas. So I don't have the technical knowledge to judge who is right. But the jingoistic "Ours is best, its gotta be the best, 'cause we're the Americans, and they aren't, so there is no way theirs can be as good as ours, much less better" sounds depressingly familiar.

[OneVike]

... beats us in ever war game...
Yeah but they can't beat us in spelling by God.

Wheres my editor when I need her.

[OneVike]

Wow, the Germans named their tank after a US Confederate War hero! How cool is that? lol, Shermans are US tanks, Panzer is German tanks.

As I have been corrected time and time again. However, I did qualify my statement by questioning myself.

I have learned to watch my spelling, my grammar, and my facts. When in doudt I ask, when corrected I admit it and use the education to further my ability to get things right in the future.

I am a firm believer in learning from my mistakes, but I cannot learn if I am not corrected. So Thank you and everyone else who pointed out my errors.....

[OneVike]

As a Southerner, I can assure you Sherman was NO Confederate hero! He was a scalliwag Blue Belly Yankee who raised WAR CRIMES on the Southern People!!!!

Aww, yes. His famous march to the sea that divided the South and helped to inevitably bring it to it's knees by attacking civilian populations and destroying its food supply.

By today's standards he would be considered a war criminal. But The Iraq war would have been over the day after we reached Baghdad also.

[itsahoot]

(I think I got the right name for the German tank)

Sherman was our tank, Panzer 88 was one of their biggies.

[OneVike]

The Vikings are at it again!

Now if we can just find a good general instead the old retreads that keep coming in to save the day.......

[itsahoot]

If we lose a carrier we will annihilate the nation that attacked the carrie

Sure we will. There will be wailing an gnashing of teeth, but that is about all.

[tanknetter]

The nightmare scenario is that one of these shows up near one of our shorelines, and launches a missile attack against one of our cities. Still, that sub has to get close enough, which means its crew has to navigate the boat through large stretches of ocean,

About 8-10 years ago the German Navy sent a couple of their then-more advanced U-Boats (Type 206As, which have since been succeed by the Type 212A) over to "play" with the US Atlantic Fleet. Along with their support ship they came up the Potomac for a port-call at Alexandria and they had the boats open for tours.

In talking to the crews, it was apparent that the multi-week trip across the pond was complete misery for them. Even WITH a support ship along. Definitely unhappy, and pretty bitter campers. I'd note that since that time, whenever one of our allies sends a Diesel/Electric over (like the Swedes do) they put it onto a heavy-lift ship and send the crew over on an airliner.

Now that's a highly-trained, experienced, disciplined and dedicated Western crew on a top-of-the-line (but still small and littoralish) submarine going not into combat but to a friendly nation where they'll get port calls and liberty ... still arriving in a pretty combat ineffective state.

Extrapolate that to a bunch of jihadis in a piece-of-cr*p Russian boat? They'll certainly be well motivated (72 Virgins probably equates to or even beats port calls/liberty), but they'll be inferior to that poor miserable German crew in every other respect.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

Perhaps the mighty carrier is to be replaced by the submarine as the terror of the seven seas.

Except that you can't establish regional air superiority with submarines.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

The nightmare scenario is that one of these shows up near one of our shorelines, and launches a missile attack against one of our cities.

Why, they could sit offshore from our largest cities, listening to our "rock and roll" music while they conduct missile drills!

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

On the Swede’s sub, does anyone remember that D/Es have to surface to run the D and recharge? In a real shootout these super-stealthy D/Es would turn into excellent fish habitats long before they got near the carrier fleet, unless some dem like nobama was writing RoEs.

Not necessarily. The technology to allow D/E subs to recharge their batteries has been around since WWII. The Germans had some sort of Peroxide system that let them run silent without surfacing.

[OneVike]

Yea and the Shermans got their a$$es kicked in head on fighting with EVERY German tank.

Good Point. I am reminded of the Movie, "Kelly's Heroes". There was no way they were going to budge the German Tiger tank, so they made deal the Tiger tank commander could not refuse. If I remember right, "Oddball" (Donald Sutherland) even traded hi Sherman for the Tiger at the end....