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Police: female faculty member kills three on UA-Huntsville campus
WLBT ^ | 2-12-2010 | WLBT

Posted on 02/12/2010 3:31:27 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo

HUNTSVILLE, AL (WAFF) - Police said a female member of the UA-Huntsville staff shot and killed three co-workers on campus.

Huntsville Police, Madison County Sheriff's department and HEMSI responded to a shooting at the UAH campus at 4:00 Friday afternoon.

The shooting happened in the Shelby Center, a math and science classroom building.

Authorities said a female faculty member during a Biology faculty meeting learned she would not receive tenure. She then pulled out a gun and started shooting.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: al; alabama; amybishop; banglist; goingpostal; gonepostal; gunfreezone; harvard; huntsville; murder; schoolshooting; scientist; tenure; tenureshooter; ua; uafaculty; uahuntsville; universityalabama; zerotolerance
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To: john in springfield

The phrase at the end of the third line is oddly predictive considering her denial of tenure. . . “NO is toxic”


241 posted on 02/12/2010 9:27:46 PM PST by deks
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To: La Enchiladita
I don't understand it either, but to those who believe in it, it is an entitlement.

The theory is that without tenure, staff can be fired for their opinions. Thus killing academic freedom, essential in some fields, well most really. I mean suppose some guy is working on a theory that would overturn someting their department chair had come up with? You think he'd stay on long without tenue. The downside is of course that lessor motivated members become like real government workers, instead of quasi government ones. The tenure system exists even at privately rnn institutions. My wife has it, and she works for a private college, not a state one. She wouldn't work for state school if they paid her twice as much. (Which they would not, if anything they tend to pay a bit less)

242 posted on 02/12/2010 9:35:27 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil

There is something just plain wrong with her eyes.

The poor tortured woman. May G_d have mercy on her victims, may He bless and comfort those who have lost a loved one at her hand, and may He find a way to still the evil that this woman has within.


243 posted on 02/12/2010 9:39:32 PM PST by Don W (I only keep certain folks' numbers in my 'phone so I know NOT to answer when they call)
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To: CaptainMorgantown
They completely lose perspective that they what they are doing is just a job, or that the main point of the job is to teach students.

For researchers, the main point of the job is to do research. Teaching students is kind of a sideline in most cases.

244 posted on 02/12/2010 9:41:05 PM PST by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: La Enchiladita
I wonder where this elitist Harvard grad academic learned to shoot??

Your impression of Harvard PhDs is too shaped by Harvard undergrads, Business School and School of government products. Harvard actually has some really good science programs. Used to work with a guy, Big Al, who had PhD in physics from there. Smartest guy I ever worked with, and very down to earth.

A lot depends on where and in what circumstances they grew up. Plus where they did their undergrad work.

245 posted on 02/12/2010 9:41:15 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: dragnet2
Those in the private sector don't get tenure.

Those at private colleges and universities do. Same system, pretty much, as in the public colleges and universities.

246 posted on 02/12/2010 9:46:28 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: CaptainMorgantown
Actually, at a lot of schools, their main job is to pull in grant money.

Students are a distant second.

Cheers!

247 posted on 02/12/2010 9:48:31 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Star Traveler
Apparently they can carry there, so that wouldn't be the case. See Post #18

I looked up both student and faculty handbooks, both say that they can be punished for unauthorized possession of a firearm. Students who hunt may store their rifles and shotguns with the campus police. (That is common practice on many campi, gun free or not.)

248 posted on 02/12/2010 9:57:24 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: EDINVA
Ha! It doesn’t matter how good a teacher the person is. In academia it’s publish or perish .. their published writings are FAR more important, pretty much the deciding factor, in getting tenure.

Not everywhere. My daughter, who is a PhD *student* has more papers published, in referred journals, one as a principal author, than my wife. My wife is not only is tenured, she's department chair. But, that is at a small school, where only her department grants graduate degrees,and then only master's.

249 posted on 02/12/2010 10:06:20 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: greeneyes
Wonder if it was registered. Wonder if she even had a permit.

Registered? In Alabama? ROTFLMAO. Permits to carry concealed they have. But not for mere possession. They have no registration of firearms.

250 posted on 02/12/2010 10:10:08 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Star Traveler
A live link... :-)

But to the wrong school. That's University of Alabama-Birmingham, not Huntsville. Since the law would allow carry on campus, it's a campus policy and could be expected to vary from one to another, although in this case, it doesn't, except perhaps in detail.

251 posted on 02/12/2010 10:14:31 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: dragnet2
Is it not wrong for all the bloated government schools to grant tenure to it's government employees?

If you want to propose that publicly funded schools should not grant tenure, I could be persuaded. My objection to your post was merely your claim that "tenure [is] a fraud, that could only exist in government or government schools". This is demonstrably false. As I, and others, have said, private universities have always had tenure. Tenure is therefore a beast of academia, not a beast of government. It is an academic tradition, for good or ill, that has existed whether or not the funding has been government in origin.
252 posted on 02/12/2010 11:14:35 PM PST by newguy357
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To: newguy357
If you want to propose that publicly funded schools should not grant tenure, I could be persuaded.

I could care less if private companies or private schools have tenure. They do not confiscate my money to operate.

Once again, do you think it is right for government schools that we are supporting with out taxes, to grant tenure to government teachers, which essentially gives them a jobs for life if they desire? You think this is OK?

253 posted on 02/12/2010 11:39:22 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: newguy357
My objection to your post was merely your claim that "tenure [is] a fraud, that could only exist in government or government schools". This is demonstrably false.

No it is not.

I told you, this kind of fraud could only exist in government and I was right, given the fact that tax payers money is used to support government teachers that are given jobs for life, or tenure.

This does not happen in private schools. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

254 posted on 02/12/2010 11:46:41 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: El Gato
That was funny! I was born in Ala-damn-bama and still go back to see my relatives from time to time. Five generations are in the same cemetery that I expect to be placed someday. Southern men would as soon register their short arms than their firearms.

If it came to the JBTs going door-to-door, I would rather find a used portable gun case at the flea market, cover them with grease and bury them in the back yard, than ever register them.

255 posted on 02/13/2010 12:02:27 AM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: El Gato

Good, hope it stays that way.


256 posted on 02/13/2010 12:03:33 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: El Gato
You were saying ...

But to the wrong school.

You'll have to talk to "hitkicker". I just made the link live for him... :-)

257 posted on 02/13/2010 12:06:48 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: El Gato
You were saying ...

I looked up both student and faculty handbooks, both say that they can be punished for unauthorized possession of a firearm.

Someone finally came up with the answer and supplied a link to a letter. I posted the contents of the letter from the President of the University and his reference to the item in question and specifying where it's to be found in the Handbook -- on Post #183 ... :-)

258 posted on 02/13/2010 12:13:01 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: El Gato

As I understand it, ‘tenure’ as we’ve come to understand it, is being reduced or eliminated at many colleges and universities. Does your wife’s college still grant tenure?

The intricacies and political wranglings of obtaining tenure today seem to offset its original purpose of leaving professors free of outside pressures. Now the pressure seems to come from colleagues (in many disciplines) for conformity to the ‘culture’ of the department. The ‘academic freedom’ that tenure was supposed to ensure can’t be enjoyed from the get-go It certainly explains the dominance of liberal professors on campus if they will only confer tenure on like-thinkers.

So, it may be that as your daughter progresses, she will have a vast portfolio of published writings and years of successful research and teaching, but STILL not get tenure simply because the college/university that she’s affiliated with won’t be offering it. And that may be a good thing.


259 posted on 02/13/2010 12:28:03 AM PST by EDINVA (Sarchasm (n): The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Touch Not the Cat

I agree. Bowl and scissors.


260 posted on 02/13/2010 3:54:01 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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