Obamacare Is Dead and Here's Why [Obamacare Ongoing Thread]

Town Hall ^ | 1-26-10 | Robert A. Levy

[JustPiper]

As the Massachusetts blame game unfolds, the president’s unpopular health bill leads the list. But the substantive provisions of the bill were just part of the problem. Perhaps more important, voters were appalled by how the deal unfolded.

Consider the pre-election giveaway to the labor unions. Negotiators agreed to exempt union contracts until 2018 from the tax on so-called Cadillac health-insurance plans. That backroom bargain not only outraged the voters, it also violated the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution, requiring the federal government to extend equal protection of the laws to all U.S. persons. Of course, not all voters understood the constitutional nuances, but they sensed that something was very wrong; and they reacted.

I have been disturbed by the socialists for years, ever since I learned many members of Congress 'openly' joined the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America). Several years ago, the names were published on the DSA site. (since removed of course) Please post any info you have, many of you have been on this issue for many years, & if we can store it all on one thread, we have our FreeRepublic Warehouse on the enemies of the state. How DO we combat this, when it's coming at us from every angle? When the people have been asleep for decades. Please post anything you have found or accumulated. Also choose a dictator these people follow, of particular interest,those in D.C. who have been quoted with their adulation of one.

Communism- Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism-Trotskyism-Maoism- Hoxhaism-Hoxhaism-Titoism ETC

[JustPiper]

Our guys ripping it up!

[thouworm]

Well...Stupak wants what he wants...and he wants it in writing. (He thinks that will tie BHO’s hands to a commitment). I think he trying not to be naive, but no one ever wins a deal with the devil

[MestaMachine]

Slaughter on the floor. No pistola handy...

Issa: bribe for one, bribe for all? I don’t think so. the American people will not be fooled.
All the bribes still in the bill going to be signed by pres.

[JustPiper]

Hey he said Piper is getting paid!

~Waiting for da check

[MestaMachine]

Got the house on speakers. Missed that.

[reasonisfaith]

I heard that. Good to know Flake is following the thread.

[thouworm]

Sunday, March 21, 2010

The Executive Order Option [Yuval Levin]

Given the nature of the abortion language in the Senate bill, which creates a mechanism to allow for taxpayer-funding of abortion coverage while pretending to prevent it, it is very hard to see what an executive order from President Obama could actually consist of, even as sheer cover. His freedom of action would seem to be very limited, so that such an order would be almost purely symbolic.

The language Kathryn cited from a source last night could not possibly be a draft of actual executive order language, and if the concept behind it is what they have in mind—applying language from one law to another by means of executive order—then it is not even a fig leaf, it’s a bad joke.

Perhaps that’s why so committed a champion of public funding of abortion as Diana DeGette could support the idea. Surely no pro-life Democrat could join her—and no one who joins her could be called a pro-life Democrat.

03/21 03:04 PM Share

[JustPiper]

Stupak axes presser, fueling speculation on abortion provision – The Hill’s Blog Briefing Room

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/03/20/stupak-axes-presser-fueling-abortion-provision-speculation//#pageTitle

[JustPiper]

Chgo Gavel I am getting so mad, with the obvious preference to their speakers & the bully Jackson at his frickin pulpit

God Bless Kildee (MI)

[JustPiper]

God Bless You Rep. Flake!

http://flake.house.gov/

[thouworm]

From Tribune7 on other LIVE thread

It’s being tweeted that Stupak told Fox about 15 mintues ago that EO not worth the paper it’s printed on.

Can anyone confirm?

[JustPiper]

O
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They can’t calm me down here, I am beside myself with Jessie KMA Jr.!

[presently no screen name]

‘trying to play naive’ - EXACTLY! He’s only thinking about today and not the a$$ he will look like tomorrow and forever.

[MestaMachine]

Me too. Stupid, ignorant muffffo

[JustPiper]

I have listed below the people to target. We also want to continue
to keep calling Rep. Bart Stupak and his group. They have stood firm thus far and we want to encourage them to hold steadfast to their beliefs and that is no federally funded abortions.

The list of Reps to call: Jerry Costello (D-IL) - (202)-225-5661 Kathy Dahlkemper (D-PA) - (202)-225-5406
Joe Donnelly (D-IN) - (202)-225-6798
Steve Dreihaus (D-OH) - (202)-225-2216
Brad Ellsworth (D-IN) - (202)-225-4636
Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) - (202)-225-4164
Dale Kildee (D-MI) (202) - 225-3611
Dan Lipinski (D-IL) - (202)-225-5701
Jim Oberstar (D-MN) - (202)-225-6211
Charlie Wilson (D-OH) - (202)-225-5705
Bart Stupak - (202)-225-4735
Joseph Cao (R-LA) - (202)-225-6636

Please go to this discussion as well and start calling these Reps as well: http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topics/urgent-must-read-321-stupak

Please Call NOW!! This is URGENT!!

Darla was at the Candlelight Vigil at the Supreme Court Building that was held last night. She lead the group in prayer and devotional. Afterwards they went to the Capital and she led them Around the Capital with candles, flashlights, whatever kind of lights people had. She is now in the Gallery watching the process.

Please CALL CALL CALL!! Vote is at 5-6pm EST.

Thanks for all you are doing!! Keep up the great work!!!

Mellie Reid
Asst Natl Dir
resistNet.com

[presently no screen name]

that EO not worth the paper it’s printed on.

LET IT BE TRUE! But surely, he couldn't have just come to that conclusion unless he's just dog tired.

[MestaMachine]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Two-Tennessee-Democrats-announce-no-votes—88770777.html

Two Tennessee Democrats announce “no” votes
By: Susan Ferrechio
Chief Congressional Correspondent
03/21/10 3:15 PM EDT
Two southern Democrats, Rep. Lincoln Davis and Rep. John Tanner, both of Tennessee, are voting against the health-care bill.

I talked to Davis this afternoon about his decision. Davis, who represents Tennessee’s 4th district, said he supports health care reform, but on a smaller scale. Davis is looking for reform that addresses some of the gaps and problems in health care coverage experienced by Americans, 85 percent of whom have coverage, without redoing the entire system.

“We need to do something for those other 15 percent percent if they choose to have insurance, to come into the system,” Davis said. “And there are ways to do that, but there are some folks who don’t want to come into the system.”

Davis said he is not getting any pressure from the Democratic leadership about his vote.

“I explained up front where I am and why doing it, and they accept that, period,” Davis said.

[gswilder]

Stupak will cave, just like all dems do. He probably even knows that this EO is really meaningless. But it gives him and excuse to explain why he voted for the HCR bill, and he believes it will give him enough cover.

Unless God intervenes in some miraculous way today, this thing IS going to pass in the end. Pelosi and Obama will make enough deals and promises to put it over the goal line.

[thouworm]

Hot Air poster — twitter

http://twitter.com/jonward11/status/10834162600

jonward11

whoa RT @JNSMALL: Sounds like Kildee’s a No, says: I’m not going 2 jeopardize my eternal salvation. I am a prolife Democrat.

Wow… that’s f’n strong… I wouldn’t even say that…

ninjapirate on March 21, 2010 at 3:24 PM

[Tribune7]

I also just saw that Stupak is going to have a 4 p.m. press conference to announce his support of the bill, so don’t get hopes up.