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Latest ARG Poll...Brown up 3 in Mass!!
http://americanresearchgroup.com/ ^ | 1-16-10 | basalt

Posted on 01/16/2010 4:31:46 AM PST by basalt

the stars are lining up..

http://americanresearchgroup.com/


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 2010; argpoll; brown; election; elections; ma2010; marthacoakley; massachusetts; poll; scottbrown; vote
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To: 101voodoo
PPP polling ADMITS to being a democrat leaning firm and if you look at the links and read the blogs from their own site you would clearly see this.”

Not only that, PPP has been referring to Gov Plain supporters as the “extreme fringe” and the “lunatic fringe” of the Republican Party, despite Gov Plain having an approval rating of a massive 73% amongst all Republicans even in PPP’s own poll. Tom Jensen, the boy that runs PPP is an anti-Palin left wing lunatic.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2407959/posts

161 posted on 01/16/2010 1:10:05 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: basalt

3% is not enough to overcome the vote fraud and election stealing that will go on thanks to the Democratic Party, ACORN and SEIU.

I would like to be wrong, but I predict that Coakly will “win” (steal) the seat.

It happens over and over.

At some point, we the people are going to have to physically take back the power. Rigged electoral processes are not going to do it.


162 posted on 01/16/2010 1:16:37 PM PST by Nik Naym (Palin. Got that? Palin. <---Right there is your answer!)
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To: Man50D

Do you call dems, inds and repubs or just repubs? Or maybe you don’t know?


163 posted on 01/16/2010 1:22:53 PM PST by fullchroma (Obama: GET OUT OF MY DOCTOR'S OFFICE!)
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To: fullchroma
Do you call dems, inds and repubs or just repubs? Or maybe you don’t know?

I don't know the breakdown as I'm making the calls from home and receive them on my computer screen one record at a time. Some people have told me they are Independent. It's possible they are all Independent.
164 posted on 01/16/2010 1:37:43 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: SmokingJoe
The 24 year old idiot that runs PPP is calling FReepers and conservatives as “crazies” and the “lunatic fringe”. In fact, every poll that PPP has done involving Gov Palin, is papered with anti-conservative, loony left rhetoric, and his entire posture drips with anti-Plain contempt and hate. As far as this Tom Jensen is concerned, if you support Gov Plain, then you have to be some kind of right wing kook and a member of the lunatic fringe. How can such a pollster be taken seriously?

In a political sense, the guy's a moron, but as a pollster, PPP is pretty good. They use essentially the same method as Rasmussen and agree with Scott most of the time. Picked the last presidential election better than almost all pollsters, including Ras. When commenting on their data they are straight with their readers. When commenting on politics, I agree that they are left leaning (to the point where their boat risks capsizing), but when it comes to their polls, I would trust them.

They are straight up.

165 posted on 01/16/2010 1:40:59 PM PST by Palmetto Patriot ("From small things, Momma, big things one day come.")
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To: Man50D

I see.

Thanks for making the calls! (I’m awful on the phone. Any calls I make for Brown would likely garner votes for Croaky.)


166 posted on 01/16/2010 1:43:53 PM PST by fullchroma (Obama: GET OUT OF MY DOCTOR'S OFFICE!)
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To: Palmetto Patriot
Picked the last presidential election better than almost all pollsters, including Ras. “

No. Rasmussen made the best call for the 2008 presidential elections.
http://race42008.com/2008/11/06/poll-accuracy-in-the-race-4-2008/
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#polls

but when it comes to their polls, I would trust them. “

PPP had Hoffman winning by 17% in NY23.
Now if it were say 2/3 % it wouldn't be so bad, but for a guy to lose, when PPP had him wining with a massive 17% in the polls...that is just not what I'd call acceptable. That kind of failure doesn't exactly generate much trust.

167 posted on 01/16/2010 2:04:55 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Palmetto Patriot

I’ve posted here before my belief that the leadership of the conservative movement will fall into the hands of women in the very near future, if it hasn’t already. I am a big fan of Sarah, Michele, and Liz Cheney and some of my favorite pundits are females.

I am no more anti-woman for agreeing with Ann about female voting patterns than she is a traitor to her sex for saying it. It is merely a statistical fact: women consistently vote around 10% more for libs than men do. Abortion? Support of social programs? I’m not sure but the ladies vote that way for whatever reason.


168 posted on 01/16/2010 2:24:23 PM PST by Scanian
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To: Palmetto Patriot

See my comment #168.

Some females - the perceptive, far-sighted ones - gravitate toward conservatism because it promotes traditional family values and provides a path to prosperity, which any normal woman would want for her family.

The women you cite are going to lead this country shortly and I wish them all the best and will be happy to work for their success!

But you know and I both know that they would be lucky to receive 45% support from other women in a national election. Too much dependency on government has been created by the Dhimmis and there is far too much reliance on abortion especially by single women.


169 posted on 01/16/2010 2:30:18 PM PST by Scanian
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To: All

In the last governor race in wa state a republican initially won. However the democraps kept having RECOUNTS over and over like 3 or 4 recounts until they got a recount that showed the democrap winning by just a handful of votes. “Misplaced” ballots just kept trickling out of the woodwork. I would expect the same thing to happen here unless the republican comes in like 10 points over the democrap. I bet this is going to happen again. Obozo had his supersekrit midnight meeting to get Labor back on board with the demos last night so now I am praying that the republican lead can hold in the face of that. This MA. special election has the potential to be a pivot point for all of America. God bless America right now. Please.


170 posted on 01/16/2010 2:33:11 PM PST by WashStateGirl
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To: manc

Suntan Charlie is making noises about wanting to be sooo helpful to the Haitians. But now is not the time to be bringing poor people to Florida - not with 11% unemployment. If he tries to be too charitable, that will give Marco Rubio another bone of contention.

As an observer of the Florida scene, I earnestly believe that most Haitians will embrace free-market principle once established here (you can look up the difference in achievement among Haitians, Africans, and other West Indian immigrants and US blacks. It is stunning. The immigrants, for the most part, believe in the American Dream and try to get part of it for themselves and their families. African Americans have been ruined by poverty pimps far too long and are mired in the dependency cycle).

If you are ever in Atlanta, my former home, any tourist bus will take you to see MLK’s Ebenezer Baptist Church on Auburn Ave. And the guide will proceed to talk about the days of “Sweet Auburn,” when black businesses lined the street. But, where have those businesses gone, you might ask? There are hardly any left. Gone with the wind, to use a local metaphor - all becaue of the War on Poverty and the Welfare State.

Dependency has ruined the future for US blacks. Luckily, most immigrant blacks know it and want no part of it.


171 posted on 01/16/2010 2:42:47 PM PST by Scanian
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To: Palmetto Patriot

Mine are both past 30...the older daughter is, in fact, an Army veteran. It helped for a while. But civilian life has always seemed to carry too many temptations for her.

Luckily, neither of the girls is a very frequent voter.


172 posted on 01/16/2010 2:46:12 PM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

ever been to ;little Haiti?

we got lost there once and ended up around there and it was a sight never to forget.
We saw a cop and asked for directions his advice was

go and don’t stop, even for a red light around here.
I asked about what if I get a ticket, he replied no worries any cop will understand that you don’t want to stop in this place.

We went on and wished the cop all the best but little Haiti is a cesspit.

Bringing thousands over here when we have no money, no jobs no nothing but hope(what obama wanted us to have) is just just stupid...


173 posted on 01/16/2010 2:51:32 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: SmokingJoe

You are correct.

PPP apparently did not poll nationally in 2008. I was relying on this:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IKhPZc5iEus/SfCoMmJLh7I/AAAAAAAAAEk/Ea5AlJ78Hho/S220/Wall+Street+Chart.jpg

According to this chart of swing states the week before election day, (Florida, Indiana, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia) PPP missed the actual results by 1.04%. Rasmussen missed by 2.05%.

Both polls used similar methods. The difference between the two polls was 1.01%, with PPP coming closer to the actual result.

I apologize for claiming that PPP came closer to the National results, however, I maintain that their poll is at least as valid as Rasmussen, and is more accurate than most polls available to the general public.

In my opinion, I would trust each organization as much as the other.


174 posted on 01/16/2010 3:39:26 PM PST by Palmetto Patriot ("From small things, Momma, big things one day come.")
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To: TheWriterTX

1/14/2010 Brown Coakley Kennedy Undecided
Likely voters 48% 45% 2% 5%
Registration:
Democrats (44%) 20% 71% 1% 8%
Republicans (20%) 94% 1% - 5%
Unenrolled/
Other (36%) 58% 37% 4% 1%
Sex:
Men (47%) 54% 39% 2% 5%
Women (53%) 44% 50% 2% 4%
Age:
18-49 (43%) 52% 42% 2% 4%
50 plus (57%) 46% 47% 1% 6%

Please look at the stats, there is really nothing special here. It is always that way, even in VA....


175 posted on 01/16/2010 3:47:53 PM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: Scanian

Please thank your daughter on my behalf for her service to our country, and thank you and your family for your sacrifice as well.

It just frosts me when I hear people reflexively ignore the service that people like her give for all of us.

As I said in a prior post, we need every Warrior in this fight.

May God bless you and your family.


176 posted on 01/16/2010 4:11:08 PM PST by Palmetto Patriot ("From small things, Momma, big things one day come.")
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To: Palmetto Patriot
I am not calling PPP’s methods into question. Heck, PPP called it right in both NJ and VA (everyone had VA right) in last year's elections (albeit Rasmussen was closer in NJ).
My problem with PPP is, the guy running it is a hard line 0bamabot left wing ideologue. People like that are susceptible to fiddling with poll numbers to push an agenda if push comes to shove.
PPP’s polls on Sarah Palin have been highly suspect. It was PPP after all, that kept pushing the Sarah Palin is toxic amongst independents meme, which was promptly seized upon by the liberal media and other Palin haters right here on FR. It wasn't untill Fox/Opinion Dynamics and other pollsters starting bringing out polls showing Sarah Palin polling 50/50 amongst independents, and running near neck and neck with 0bama in match-ups(Rasmussen), that PPP turned round and brought their own polls showing Palin polling pretty well amongst the population as a whole, and even then they added plenty of nasty commentary describing Palin supporters as essentially right wing lunatics. That kind of loony left verbiage tends to remove credibility from any pollster. The guy insults conservatives in his poll press releases, and expects conservatives to take his polls seriously?
However, given that other polls (like ARG and Suffolk University) have Brown ahead as well, I would tend to agree that the PPP poll in this case, is more than likely right, while the Boston Globe(Coakley is ahead by 15%) poll is utter rubbish.
177 posted on 01/16/2010 4:44:16 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

I agree, the guy’s a turd (politically) . All I’m saying is that when you get beyond the BS, his numbers are good, especially on the local level. Even Rush follows him. Believe me, when the congressional races start heating up, you can go there for the straight poop.

Look at the Dem blogs (DU especially). Lots of them trash this guy. Just keep an eye on his numbers.

Yes, he’s a youngster, but he’s trying to make a name for himself. If he was just trying to tell the Dimm’s what they wanted to hear, he wouldn’t last six months.

Think about it. He’s just some schlub in Charlotte, NC. How many people in Mass. is he going to influence? Are Mass. Dems going to hire him? Why would he slant his numbers to suit them, especially if he’s wrong at the end of the day? These guys are paying good money and they expect accurate results.

Watch this guy. Measure his results after Tuesday. Make up your own mind.


178 posted on 01/16/2010 5:37:09 PM PST by Palmetto Patriot ("From small things, Momma, big things one day come.")
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To: 101voodoo

I won’t be as harsh. Seems to me women generally vote more liberal. I don’t think its as gender biased as you think.


179 posted on 01/16/2010 5:41:42 PM PST by wiggen (Never in the history of our great country have the people had less representation than they do today)
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To: wiggen
Seems to me women generally vote more liberal.

Come On, Man!

180 posted on 01/16/2010 5:59:47 PM PST by Palmetto Patriot ("From small things, Momma, big things one day come.")
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