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Official: Explosive PETN Used in Attack (Carried in Condom by Suspect?)
CBS News/AP ^ | Saturday, December 26, 2009

Posted on 12/26/2009 10:20:58 AM PST by kristinn

The suspect in the attempted bombing of Northwest Flight 253 used a highly explosive substance called PETN, a law enforcement official told CBS News Saturday.

The explosives were carried in a soft plastic container - possibly a condom - though much of the packaging was destroyed in the fire, the official said.

The FBI is questioning the suspect, identified as 23-year-old Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who claimed to be acting on orders from al Qaeda to blow up the airliner, officials said.

A high-ranking law enforcement official told CBS News that the suspect apparently used a syringe to inject a chemical into the powder, which was located near his groin. It is a technique not seen in previous attempted attacks and it's possible that this incident was a test of whether the materials could pass screening and how effective they might be at causing damage, the source said.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abdulmutallab; airlinesecurity; explosives; flight253; globaljihad; northwestflight253; petn; tm
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To: mreerm
To quote the famous Northern Alliance leader killed by al qaeda in Afghanistan under bill clinton’s watch, “Are there any men left in Washington”?

LLS

101 posted on 12/26/2009 12:04:42 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: Dog

wow - the passengers were very lucky.


102 posted on 12/26/2009 12:08:26 PM PST by carolina71
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To: El Gato
Just all fly naked, I guess.

Would definitely make it easier to spot "explosive devices" in condoms.

103 posted on 12/26/2009 12:35:30 PM PST by bigheadfred (Be who you are and say what you feel: Those who mind don't matter.Those who matter don't mind.)
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To: jessduntno
72 virgins, lol


104 posted on 12/26/2009 12:36:31 PM PST by edzo4 (NoBama 2012)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
You know the answer: Political Correctness (PC).
PC was largely responsible for the deaths of 241 Marines and Sailors in the October 1983 Beirut bombing (sponsored/financed by the islamic republic of iran). PC has killed lots of Americans/Westerners in the past 30-40 years. PC is responsible for the current Rules of Engagement. PC will continue to kill many more.

The irony is that PC kills liberals as much as it kills anyone else.

105 posted on 12/26/2009 12:41:27 PM PST by Tahoe3002
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To: LibLieSlayer
To quote the famous Northern Alliance leader killed by al qaeda in Afghanistan under bill clinton’s watch, “Are there any men left in Washington”?

Masoud wasn't killed under Bill Clinton's watch. He was assassinated two days before 9-11-01 by AlQueada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Massoud

106 posted on 12/26/2009 12:41:45 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Eddie Murphy?


107 posted on 12/26/2009 12:52:47 PM PST by MindBender26 (Obama is what you get when the O.J. jury selects a president !)
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To: Squantos

PETN...thank you Squantos.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/petn/index


108 posted on 12/26/2009 12:55:05 PM PST by Cindy
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To: LibLieSlayer
We would be safer ONLY if the Republican CONSERVATIVE fired all the clinton and obama political appointees and liberal civil service bureaucrats hiding in the Dept of State, Pentagon, CIA, etc.

One of GWB’s first mistakes was not to do such a house cleaning. IMHO.

109 posted on 12/26/2009 12:55:26 PM PST by Tahoe3002
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To: LibLieSlayer
We will only be safe again when a Republican Conservative controls the Whitehouse and the dim party is a minority in both houses.

We will only be safe again when the White House and Congress realize and admit that ISLAM ITSELF is the enemy of ALL Western civilization...... and decide to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!

110 posted on 12/26/2009 12:55:34 PM PST by Roccus (My anger IS manufactured.......................................in the WHITE HOUSE and CONGRESS!!)
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To: Kickass Conservative

He lives in a 7 million dollar apartment. Fairly nice hut, I’d say. His father also notified the US over 6 months ago that his son was associating with terrorists and was concerned.


111 posted on 12/26/2009 1:09:30 PM PST by publana (Obama, you will not intimidate me into not voicing my opinions.)
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To: Squantos
Same stuff the shoe bomber used or tried.....semtex, dupont, ensign bickford, royal ordnance, etc all use it as a primary. ANFO is a .60, Military Dynamite is .80, TNT is 1.0 and C-4 is 1.34 on the relative equivalency scale and PETN is 1.66 on same scale before you get into insensitive / sensitive exotics used in nukes etc ....

It was used in Nukes in the 60s along with Tetn.

Both have lower drop test than nitroglycerin


112 posted on 12/26/2009 1:29:10 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: kristinn

I don’t understand why they don’t just outlaw terrorists from flying on airliners or carrying explosives or weapons onto planes.

After all, it works for gun control.


113 posted on 12/26/2009 1:37:44 PM PST by Egon (The difference between Theory and Practice: In Theory, there is no difference.)
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To: hennie pennie
It should have been detected with any of the currently used aiport detectors that screen for organonitrates.

Pentraerythritol tetranitrate is used in Primacord, or blended with RDX and called Semtex. It needs a detonator.

Semtex has a detection taggant added to produce a distinctive vapor signature to aid detection. First, ethylene glycol dinitrate was used, later switched to 2,3-dinitro-2,3-dimethylbutane (3,4-dinitrohexane, DMDNB), which is used currently. According to the manufacturer, the taggant agent was voluntarily being added by 1991, years before the protocol signed became compulsory

114 posted on 12/26/2009 1:40:40 PM PST by Gorzaloon (dear friend,)
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To: hennie pennie
Just quick research. Otherwise, I know little about explosives:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentaerythritol
Appearance white solid
white, crystalline polyol
dielectric fluid in transformers. Their low volatility and high flash point give them an excellent resistance to ignition
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETN
one of the most powerful high explosives known
PETN's preparation involves the nitration of pentaerythritol with a mixture of concentrated nitric and sulfuric acid. The preferred method of nitration is the ICI method, which utilizes concentrated nitric acid (98%+) alone, as mixed acid can create unstable sulfonated by-products.
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http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/109618317/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
The presence of sulphuric acid impurity decreased the thermal stability as well as the activation energy...
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Blatant speculation on my part: IF he was carrying PENTAERYTHRITOL (the white powder) and a mixture of Nitric acid and sulfuric acir (in the syringe) in an attempt to manufacture PETN on the plane; the sulfuric acid may have caused a small portion of the PETN being manufactured to become unstable... That might have set the original, as yet unmixed PENTAERYTHRITOL to burn, before it could be mixed in. SPECULATION
115 posted on 12/26/2009 1:43:31 PM PST by DoorGunner ("Rom 11: until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so, all Israel will be saved")
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To: kristinn

Note to UBL and associates: Finding dumb-asses willing to blow themselves up is hardly a challenge, it seems. But hoping that the people they mean to take down with them are also dumb-asses, who won’t notice a passenger setting himself on fire, is unrealistic, and further proof that you are the biggest dumb-asses of them all. Historians will laugh at you, and future generations will build urinals on your ignominious graves. Oh, and those virgins you’re promised? Those that don’t look like Helen Thomas look like Janet Reno, and not a few of the boys as numerous as pearls look like Popeye the Sailor. The rest look like Bluto.


116 posted on 12/26/2009 2:01:48 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (www.publishedauthors.net/benmaxwell/index.html, http://sites.google.com/site/thevuzvuz/)
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To: Bigg Red

assasin = assassin


117 posted on 12/26/2009 2:14:42 PM PST by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: Oorang
Hi there, Oorang.

Here is another particularly interesting messagethread.

118 posted on 12/26/2009 2:22:49 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Roccus

I heard something on TV today and couldn’t believe my ears. Now the narrative about this whole thing is contrasting a “lone wolf”—who is “more easily dismissed”—with an Al Qaeda-sanctioned incident. Not joking—newscaster really did say “dismissed.” They cast these lone terrorists as “free lancers,” which takes some of the sting and urgency out of the story. In the liberal media, the ultimate paradigm is the multiple hits on 9-11, so I guess anything LESS than that is just a wannabe weirdo.


119 posted on 12/26/2009 3:07:22 PM PST by 1951Boomer
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To: Tahoe3002
PC was largely responsible for the deaths of 241 Marines and Sailors in the October 1983 Beirut bombing (sponsored/financed by the islamic republic of iran). PC has killed lots of Americans/Westerners in the past 30-40 years. PC is responsible for the current Rules of Engagement. PC will continue to kill many more.

Political Correctness was also responsible for 9/11.

A lot of FBI, CIA and NSA officials during the beginning of Bush's first term and 9/11 were holdovers from the Clinton Administration who didn't want to "ethnic profile" and be "racist" against Muslims.

And don't forget that Clinton let Bin Laden get away when Sudan offered to hand him over to the U.S. because he didn't want to offend Muslims.

120 posted on 12/26/2009 3:10:49 PM PST by America2012 (No Taxation By An Obamanation)
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