Shroud of Turin Not Jesus', Tomb Discovery Suggests

National Geographic ^ | December 17, 2009 | Mati Milstein

[Salman]

From a long-sealed cave tomb, archaeologists have excavated the only known Jesus-era burial shroud in Jerusalem, a new study says.

The discovery adds to evidence that the controversial Shroud of Turin did not wrap the body of Christ, researchers say.

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The weave of the Tomb of the Shroud fabric, the new study says, casts further doubt on the Shroud of Turin as Jesus' burial cloth.

The newfound shroud was something of a patchwork of simply woven linen and wool textiles, the study found. The Shroud of Turin, by contrast, is made of a single textile woven in a complex twill pattern, a type of cloth not known to have been available in the region until medieval times, Gibson said.

Both the tomb's location and the textile offer evidence for the apparently elite status of the corpse, he added. The way the wool in the shroud was spun indicates it had been imported from elsewhere in the Mediterranean—something a wealthy Jerusalem family from this period would likely have done.

[Salman]

What is notable about this: The discoverer is not someone who set out to debunk anything.

I realize there will be no minds changed.

[USArmySpouse]

Interesting. Thanks for the link to the article.

[a fool in paradise]

The timing of this article from the Pravda Media (National Geographic has run numerous digitally forged photos) is suspicious.

[airborne]

The discoverer is not someone who set out to debunk anything.

Good thing too, because he really hasn't.

[a fool in paradise]

ping

[FateAmenableToChange]

Sample of one. Therefore all must be like that one. I’m sorry, I must have slept through the part of logic class where they did “unus est ergo totus est”.

I’m agnostic on the Shroud of Turin, but the sloppy conjectures of this article demonstrate that at least the author has a bias against the authenticity of the shroud.

[a fool in paradise]

I must have missed where National Geographic bothered to discuss the controversy about the Climategate emails...

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/gw-overview.html

The Planet Is Heating Up—and Fast
Glaciers are melting, sea levels are rising, cloud forests are drying, and wildlife is scrambling to keep pace. It’s becoming clear that humans have caused most of the past century’s warming by releasing heat-trapping gases as we power our modern lives. Called greenhouse gases, their levels are higher now than in the last 650,000 years.

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http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/gw-real.html

Is Global Warming Real?

The warming of Earth’s surface and oceans over the past century is very well documented, and climate research shows that most of the warming in the past half century results from manmade greenhouse gases.

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Their own religion has myth making

[FlingWingFlyer]

YAWN. The global warmers at Nat Geo again.

[SkyDancer]

The thing that puzzles me about the Shroud is the negative image - why or how could a medieval artist know about negative images ...

[lexington minuteman 1775]

Note to National Geographic: Mohammed is still dead and Jesus is alive no matter who was wound in any shroud.

[SparkyBass]

yep, back then they MUST have used IDENTICAL shrouds for EVERYONE. Even if buried in a borrowed (from a wealthy man) tomb.

I have no idea if the shroud of turin is legit (lean towards yes) but articles like this are crap.

[Pollster1]

I’m agnostic on the Shroud of Turin, but the sloppy conjectures of this article demonstrate that at least the author has a bias against the authenticity of the shroud.

I'm with you on the Shroud of Turin. As for the new one, it is obviously NOT Jewish - and most of us know that once we think. "The newfound shroud was something of a patchwork of simply woven linen and wool textiles". As I recall from Leviticus 19:19 in Hebrew/Aramaic, mixing linen and wool was specifically forbidden for clothing, and the observant Jews of that period would not have considered its use on a dead body as an allowable loophole. Turin? I'd like information that is probably never going to be available. The new shroud? Not relevant to Turin.

[silverleaf]

dateline Dec 3000

“Bodies discovered in simple wooden boxes in “Potter’s Field” suggest that other burials in elborate coffins date from a different period.”

[Rockingham]

A single example is a poor basis on which to spin conclusions about burial textiles in ancient Judea. Unlike a leper, a first quality burial cloth would likely have used for Jesus due to the devotion of his followers and the wealth of Joseph of Arimathea.

[Guyin4Os]

I doubt the shroud of turin ever touched the Savior's body. But the best evidence for the resurrection of our Lord is not a shroud or a garden tomb or anything else that has been found. The best evidence is that which has not been found, the body of Jesus. If there had been no resurrection, the Romans or the Jewish leaders could have simply retrieved his body, dragged it through the streets of Jerusalem and the tiny fledgling sect would have died.

The next-best evidence is what happened: apostles who had seen their master crucified became ignited with a zeal to make known the wonderful news that Jesus had risen from the dead.

Either the physical, bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ happened, or it didn't. If it didn't, then his disciples would have remained broken, dejected, disappointed at his death. If it did happen, then what happened would have happened... they would have done what they did, made known to the world the glorious truth that Jesus conquered the grave.

Placing faith in a cloth will ultimately lead to disappointment. Placing faith in the Risen Lord will never disappoint.

[Smokin' Joe]

So someone buried in polyester isn't a contemporary of soemone buried in a Brooks Brothers' suit?

I do not think this proves anything one way or the other.

[RegulatorCountry]

I'm not Catholic and have no bias one way or the other, as far as the authenticity of the Shroud Of Turin. It'd be fantastic if it were what it's long been purported to be, but I'm not all that concerned.

That said, nobody seems to be noticing the offensive nature of what is being said and done, here. They're in Gehenna for crying out loud, in the Field Of Blood, Aceldama, the potter's field bought to bury criminals and such, bought with the 30 pieces of silver from Judas Iscariot.

The man's body was wracked with disease and buried in a potter's field. Just how is the quality of the cloth he was bound with, not a burial shroud mind you, in any way related to the perhaps legendary burial shroud of Jesus Christ?

It's not.

These people, supposed objective scientists, show their hand again and again, and apparently aren't even aware that they're doing it. Not so bright.

[La Lydia]

What beef do people on this forum have with the Shroud of Turin? This is about the 15th time this same story has been posted.

[Prospero]

No minds, no facts, either. It's a stretch to assume an ancient weave found in one of the most transitory and cosmopolitan places and times in the Roman era just has to breathlessly "add to evidence" one way or another about the "controversial" Shroud of Turin.

I know zero Christians who have founded their faith on the Shroud. But I do know this: Wherever God in Christ has manifested His will and Word in this world you can count on the devil immediately staking out a Gypsy camp all over the top of it and opening up a spiritual whorehouse. "Controversy" to this world is smoke telling of a fire somewhere.

Why doesn't National Geographic expend as much energy "proving" the Ka'abah, the object of veneration by more than a billion Muslims, is just a rock?

Why so much "controversy" over a couple of acres of high ground in Jerusalem?

"The discoverer is not someone who set out to debunk anything?"

Right.