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U.S.-led climate deal under threat in Copenhagen ["Deal" falling apart]
Reuters ^ | Dec 19, 2009 | Reuters

Posted on 12/18/2009 10:51:22 PM PST by FocusNexus

U.N. climate talks fell into crisis on Saturday after some developing nations angrily rejected a plan worked out by U.S. President Barack Obama and leaders of other major economies for fighting global warming.

Countries including Venezuela, Sudan and Tuvalu said they opposed a deal spearheaded on Friday in Copenhagen by the United States, China, India, South Africa and Brazil at the summit. The deal would need unanimous backing to be adopted.

The document "is a solution based on the same very values, in our opinion, that channeled six million people in Europe into furnaces," said Sudan's Lumumba Stanislaus Di-aping.

"The reference to the Holocaust is, in this context, absolutely despicable," said Anders Turesson, chief negotiator of Sweden.

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Beam me to Planet Gore !

21 posted on 12/19/2009 3:10:08 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: backhoe
"Countries including Venezuela, Sudan and Tuvalu said they opposed a deal...."

There are so many unintentionally hilarious aspects of this farce.... The notion that the so-called "country" of Tuvalu is a big player in these negotiations, or that political cesspools like Sudan and Venezuela have any role at all....

I'm not suggesting that all the real issues at stake here are not of immense importance, but still, sometimes I have to step back and LAUGH at all these nutty poseurs meeting in Copenhagen...... I just hope they don't get to have the last laugh.......
22 posted on 12/19/2009 4:25:34 AM PST by Enchante (Carter + Gore + Obama added together are not worth 1/1000th of a Nobel Prize ....)
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To: Enchante
I'm not suggesting that all the real issues at stake here are not of immense importance, but still, sometimes I have to step back and LAUGH at all these nutty poseurs meeting in Copenhagen...... I just hope they don't get to have the last laugh...

The Three Stooges could not have done justice to this farce.

23 posted on 12/19/2009 4:38:30 AM PST by backhoe (All Across America, the Lights are being relit again...)
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To: Enchante
Its all about hatred of capitalism and the West plus resentment the obligatory shakedown freebies didn't fall into their laps. That's why the Third World is mad at the deal. It didn't transfer the wealth to them, which what the Green Marxists presiding over the conference hoped to achieve.

That said, I'm happy it failed!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

24 posted on 12/19/2009 4:38:32 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: FocusNexus

Sand castles usually do fall apart.


25 posted on 12/19/2009 4:39:48 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

26 posted on 12/19/2009 4:44:11 AM PST by Silly ("Okay, I'm getting just a little sick of this bereaved chicken-widow crap!")
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To: chilltherats
Any chance they could relocate from their one-acre coral reef to the mainland in order to escape those roaring seas?

Yes, but WE would have to pay for it. But I don't think the seas are really rising there. It' just they MIGHT someday.

27 posted on 12/19/2009 4:47:32 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

“But I don’t think the seas are really rising there. “

You win the cigar.

The people of Tuvalu have used up their natural resources and are looking for a rich sugar daddy to rescue them. The farcical rulers of the atoll hit on the idea to complain that global warming is coming to get them via rising seas. Thus, the island has become the cause célèbre for the eco-fascists to “prove” global warming. For about 10 years, the Tuvalus have been begging New Zealand to take them on as wards of the state. They want to be given free homes on the beach, a monthly welfare stipend and all the booze they can drink.


28 posted on 12/19/2009 5:32:55 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
U.N. climate talks fell into crisis on Saturday after some developing nations angrily rejected a plan worked out by U.S. President Barack Obama and leaders of other major economies for fighting global warming. Countries including Venezuela, Sudan and Tuvalu said they opposed a deal spearheaded on Friday in Copenhagen by the United States, China, India, South Africa and Brazil at the summit. The deal would need unanimous backing to be adopted. The document "is a solution based on the same very values, in our opinion, that channeled six million people in Europe into furnaces," said Sudan's Lumumba Stanislaus Di-aping. "The reference to the Holocaust is, in this context, absolutely despicable," said Anders Turesson, chief negotiator of Sweden.

29 posted on 12/19/2009 5:35:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: chilltherats

They are becoming common here in SW Wisconsin. Mostly being built by refugees from Madison, only a few of whom live in them for more than the summer and perhaps over a few weeks of winter break.

The major problem we have seen is that the sprayed concrete shell placed over the bales can crack, due mostly to settling, and let in moisture. Another problem is if the bales are not 100% dry before being wrapped in plastic and concreted over. The result is rotting hay and a home for various vermin. I am unsure if the damp hay is in danger of spontaneous combustion. I tend to think they work best in desert conditions. They are said to be quite comfortable in the hottest part of summer.

Most of the owners seem to like them.


30 posted on 12/19/2009 5:45:15 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: chilltherats

The deal is a sham—a sham-wow—a fig leave to cover the failure of the scare tactics of the Eco-Hippie Communists. The conference was a flop and all future ones will be like the flop that was Esparanto (Remember the one language for all mankind?) It was a great hit in the 1930s until Germany had other ideas—(they had one language for the world—German)
Look to see the eco-warriors become a thing of the past—like the Flat-Earth People or those who think the world is hollow and that where the UFOs come from.


31 posted on 12/19/2009 6:03:58 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: lapsus calami

All that is certainly true- liberals have NEVER been about ‘helping hte poor’- despite their incessant claims that they are the party of hte little people- they are about control and money grubbing FROM the little people. They just couldn’t wait to get their greedy little hands on the $$ that the 34 million ‘uninsured’ people have- which is why they are goign to fine anyone that can’t or won’t buy insurance because it’s too expensive- essentially, poor people will be penalized for being too poor to buy insurance

Let’s say 10,000,000 people still can’t buy health insurance- they will be fine around $3500 p/y apiece from what I’m reading- that amounts to $35,000,000,000 (billion)p/y just in fines for those greedy pricks in congress- and let’s not forget that they will also be fining small busiensses that can’t afford to insure their workers- so we’re talking a huge amount of money the govenrment will be raking in off the poor people who are struggling every day just to make ends meet while those freaking fat-cats in washington’s only concerns wil lbe about what brand of caviar and wine they’ll have for lunch.

The ‘gracious’ government is goign to give the poor ‘subsidies’ to ‘help them buy insurance’ but this will amount to what? $400 p/y per individual? To ‘help buy’ policies which will no doubt cost more than $400 per month? Woopidy doo!

By the way- BY LAW- hospitals can NOT refuse to admit peopel because they don’t have insurance, and they can’t force people without insirance to pay for their care- infact hospitals are required to treat the poor at no cost- and the hospitals are compensated by the government every year for this service- so the ‘34 million uninsured poor people who ‘don’t have insurance’ is a crock of crap- Yep- they don’t have insurance, BUT they DO have FREE ACCESS to healthcare- it’s even a law that hospitals MUST treat illegal aliens at no cost to the illegals


32 posted on 12/19/2009 8:54:17 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Right Wing Assault

I know the rising seas claim is all based on speculation. I was just being facetious. :)


33 posted on 12/19/2009 1:35:31 PM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: reformedliberal

I can hardly wait to get one.


34 posted on 12/19/2009 1:45:35 PM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: chilltherats

I figured you probably knew that, so I answered for those who might never have heard of it.


35 posted on 12/19/2009 3:44:03 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: CottShop
"Let’s say 10,000,000 people still can’t buy health insurance- they will be fine around $3500 p/y apiece from what I’m reading-..."

Let's say 10,000,000 people say "Bullshit!" pick up their pitchforks and ARs, and head to Washington to clean house...

36 posted on 12/19/2009 7:36:11 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: reformedliberal; All

I think you meant to address this to me.

When building it is important to keep the bales dry. My brothers built a straw bale house in Maryland which has more rain than Wisconsin. They tested the bales for moisture content, then kept them well sheltered while building with them. They don’t have to be 100% dry, but I think they should have under 13% moisture content. My one brother was an architect and knew what he was doing. Your refugees from Madison may be students who think they can do this without learning anything about it first.

Several years ago I saw the Burritt Mansion built in Huntsville, Alabama in 1938 with over 2,000 wheat straw bales. They have 50 inches of rain there.


37 posted on 12/19/2009 9:39:33 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: chilltherats; reformedliberal; All

Fire marshals and cracks.

Actually, a lot of work has been done getting standards for permit granting (the home my brothers built was fully permitted in a wealthy county), fire insurance, and bank financing. They are actually quite fire resistant, more so than a wood frame house, once they are covered outside and in.

If the cement covers on the Wisconsin homes were cracking it was because they did not let them settle enough or clamp them down with straps or all thread.

In India and China they would certainly be an improvement. When I think of all the school children killed in the earthquakes. Straw bale homes are quite earthquake and hurricane resistant. Vermin is not that much of a problem, and if it is some borax can be mixed in.


38 posted on 12/19/2009 9:46:46 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: chilltherats

They use ground up news paper treated with boric acid as a flame retardant and use it as insulation, perhaps they could treat the straw with boric acid....


39 posted on 12/19/2009 11:08:24 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: gleeaikin; American Constitutionalist

What’s the construction cost per sq. foot?


40 posted on 12/20/2009 2:31:57 AM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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