Posted on 12/11/2009 5:57:16 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Free Republic is a fringe right-wing Christian fundamentalist site... or so they say... and they might even be right.
We don't go for any of that godless left-wing big government socialist malarkey. And we do put our faith and trust in God, not government. We are pro-God, pro-Life, pro-Family, pro-Country and pro-Liberty.
We do not believe that government or science knows what's best for us or our children. We will make our own decisions thank you very much.
Every once in a while some group of posters get together and try to bend Free Republic to their will. Now, we tend to be pretty free-wheeling around here and will take a lot of guff and a lot of obnoxious insults from a lot of people, but eventually a breaking point is reached.
For example, when a group of RINO lovers recently banded together to try to force FR to accept an abortionist/gay rights RINO as our presidential candidate, they soon found themselves on the outs.
And a few years ago a group of evolutionists tried to force FR over to their way of thinking and they soon found themselves on the outs.
FR is a pro-God, pro-Creator, pro-Life, pro-Liberty site.
And now we have yet another group of Darwinists trying to have their Darwinist way with us. Well, as I've said before what doesn't kill us will only make us stronger.
Darwin Central has again declared war on FR. They have ping lists and email lists and will try to pull away as many FReepers as they possibly can. So be it. Those who would rather go with Darwin, please go. I sure as hell won't try to stop you.
FR will remain a pro-God, pro-Life, pro-Liberty, pro-Creator conservative site.
We wholeheartedly believe that our unalienable rights are a gift from God our Creator not from man or government. And no man, no government will ever deprive us of same.
Keep your powder dry.
if the LDS first presidency supposedly has powers of discernment, how come they didn’t recognize the documents were fraudlent at the beginning??
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OUCH
I apparently mischaracterized you as opposing Charles Darwin based on the presumption that you were a strict creationist. If I was wrong I apologize.
Just more hot air!
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WOW...JUST WOW. You consider the following to be “hot air”?!?!?! And yet you CLAIM to be a Christian. NO CHRISTIAN WOULD EVER think this was just “hot air”!
You are more lost than I thought.
WV Kayaker posted the following:
...discovered the Grace He so beneovently bestows on us, and have followed Him ever since.
I love the Word of God. “In the beginning was the Word”, breathing life into nothing. In the middle, men lived and died. God remained in “Heaven”. Historically, a man called Jesus walked on the Earth, and seemed to “fit the description of the perp” that all of the Old Testament said was coming. As recorded in history, that man stood before a judge, and was sent to die, because some hated what He stood for. No record has been found of Him having been a “sinner”. The “story line says” He died as a sacrifice for us, since we have been born to be sinners. At the end, He is on the Throne, and He will Judge. His judgment is going to be on one basis. “Did you know me then? No, not that you talked about Me or called on me distress, but DO YOU KNOW ME?”. He already knows the answer. Do you?
The only intercessor between God and man is the Christ we know as Jesus... Thank God.
Ephesians 2:8-9 says, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Romans 4:5 says that salvation comes to those who do not work for salvation, but believe on Jesus Christ instead!
Jesus Christ came into this world to lay down His sinless life for YOU-to pay for your sins because you couldn’t. Jesus is your only hope for salvation. Only by receiving Him as your Saviour can you enter the gates of Heaven. There is no other way. “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me.” {John 14:6} “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” {Acts 4:12}
The Lord Jesus Christ has come and PAID for your sins by shedding His own Blood on Calvary. By receiving Him as your Saviour, you can be WASHED from all your sins in His precious Blood {Rev. 1:5; Col. 1:14; Acts 20:28; I Pet. 1:18-19}. Notice these important words from Romans 5:8-9: “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”
Jesus PAID your way to Heaven! Your church cannot save you! Only by receiving Jesus Christ as your Saviour can you escape the damnation of Hell. Are you willing to forsake YOUR righteousness and receive Jesus Christ as your Saviour, your ONLY HOPE for Salvation? Romans 10:13 says, “Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Romans 10:9 says, “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Why not pray right now and ask the Lord to come into your heart and cleanse you from all sin? He will save you just as He promised.-MMO
You won't get an answer.
You know as well as I do, liberal trolls can only spew an ACLU, MSM revisionist line, then run back to the hideout.
Thank you for posting your testimony and the verses.
I basically quit discussing evolution vs. creation years ago. I believe the Darwinists use this as a red herring to avoid the discussion of eugenics.
Prior to the Scopes Trial, eugenics was what the Darwins were best known for; however, after World War II there seems to have been a push to disassociate Darwinism from eugenics and pretend that all they ever cared about was evolution.
The truth is that over one billion people have died in the past century as a direct result of Darwinist eugenics.
That liberal troll has since been zotted.
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Not so!
The best way for a Lurker to know the Truth is to read the
Book of Mormon
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bm/contents
and the let the Lord bear witness to them if it is true or not!
moroni’s promise is a circular argument. You get the answer you want or are told to get.
The BoM has been debunked for over a century now. There is archaeological evidence for the Bible, but NONE, not one scrap for the BoM. Why? Tell me where Zerahemla is?
The truth can be found (stuff the LDS will lie to you by omission at least) here:
www.utlm.org
www.mrm.org
www.irr.org/mit
But the BoM does not contain most of LDS doctrine. In fact, the parts that were plagarized from the Bible, and some others DIRECTLY CONTRADICT LDS doctrine.
“The best way for a Lurker to know the Truth is to read” about the Truth in the Bible...
He is not found in fiction...
What Jesus had to say about Himself as TRUTH...
Jesus said to Resty and the lurkers, “I am the Way the Truth, and the Life. No man or woman comes to the Father except by me.”
And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John 8:32
If the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed. John 8:36
Anything less than Jesus is a lie...
Resty thinks this post is just “hot air”.
Care to comment?
Kinderhook resty - bogus prophet translates bogus plates
Book of Abraham - bogus prophete mistranslates pagan prayer scroll.
Spin resty, spin some more.
I think we are at the place now where we can say, "do not feed the Troll"
This just tells me you do not understand how revelation works but it should not surprise me!
Are Prophets Infallible?
The premise of the question about Gordon B. Hinckley, and many related questions about other prophets, is that a prophet should continually act under direct guidance from God so that nobody could ever deceive him and that no mistakes could ever be made. However, there is no Biblical basis for such a belief (See Are Prophets Infallible?). Prophets are mortal men who have been ordained and chosen by God to be a mouthpiece for revelation and guidance, but that revelation only comes when God wills it, making it somewhat sporadic in both ancient and modern times. There is no expectation that every act, every decision, and every purchase by a prophet will be divinely and infallibly guided. As Joseph Smith said, “a prophet is only a prophet when acting as such.” Critics of the Church say this is a cop out, but it is true and Biblical.
The Bible gives examples of prophets and apostles who were mortal and fallible, with obvious mistakes having been made by Jonah (shirking his duty), Moses (not circumcising his son), and Peter (denying Christ three times). But can real prophets be fooled by deceivers? Certainly. Joshua was fooled by the men of Gibeon, who came in disguise as if from a distant country when they were locals who normally would have been treated as enemies. In that story, given in Joshua 9:3-27, Joshua was deceived. He was a prophet, but he fell for the trick of the Gibeonites.
An even more dramatic example of a prophet being deceived, and of the mistakes that prophets can make, is given in 1 Kings 13. In that chapter, we read of a man of God with prophetic power and the gift of healing who was given an assignment by God and who was told by God not to eat or drink in that place. After having performed a great miracle, another “old prophet” wanted to meet the man of God and have the man of God eat and drink at his house. To achieve his vain desire, the old prophet told a lie, saying that an angel of God had told the old prophet that the man of God was indeed to come eat and drink after all. Sadly, the man of God - a powerful prophet - believed the lie. He was deceived (1 Kings 13:18). He joined the old prophet at his home where he ate and drank, disobeying the instructions he had received from God. God then gave a revelation to the old prophet - the one who had lied! - saying that the man of God would be punished for his disobedience, that “thy carcase shall not come unto the sepulchre of thy fathers” (1 Kings 13:21,22). That prophecy was fulfilled as the man of God was killed by a lion on the way home. It seems pretty harsh to me, and anti-LDS critics would delight in attacking this story if it were in the Book of Mormon, but the story does illustrate that prophets can be deceived (and that they can sin - though I hope the old prophet repented in great sorrow). We do not believe that prophets are infallible - and neither do they. But we trust the Lord’s promise that He will not let His properly chosen and anointed Prophet to lead the Church astray.
As a final example of prophets not receiving direct revelation for everything they do and say, in one of Paul’s discussions of marriage in the New Testament, he speaks of an issue for which he had received “no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment” (1 Cor. 7:25-28). This seems to indicate that Paul was just giving his best judgment but did not feel that he had direct revelation from God on the topic. This passage made it into sacred scripture. Surely there were many other things Paul did, said, and even purchased that were not guided by infallible, direct revelation from God. But when God chose to give revelation to Paul, then he was acting as a true prophet and those revelations can be trusted (to the extent that they have been properly preserved and translated in our modern Bibles).
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/qa/salamander.htm
Where are all the cities listed in the bom resty. Mormons have 4 theories where they are. One group say they are scattered over all the western hemisphere - just haven't been found after centuries of investigation.
Another sez N. America - except they can't find any cities there either.
Another sez a teeny tiny speck of land in Central America, but they can't find any of the cities there either.
Some have proposed that Malaysia is the place, yet they can't seem to find any cities either.
Over 25,000 archaelogical sites across the middle east have materials that have been found directly linked to the Bible. How many bom sites resty? Any chariots been found in a dig anywhere in the western hemisphere. Why are your prophets so silent?
...more hot air!
More exer like yourself pat each other on the back...
Unlike you reaganaut, I did my homework and investigated the Church on my own before I was baptized!
I was not slothful!:)
Resty, I didn’t say “revelation”, I said DISCERNMENT, even in the LDS there is a difference.
The gift of discernment is being able to tell a truth from a lie, and is a power of the priesthood. It is what is used from bishops on up in the LDS church to determine callings and in administrative and church areas as well as personal lives.
IF THE LDS FIRST PRESIDENCY had the gift of discernment, which they claim they do, then they should have seen the fraud Hoffman was perpetuating, which they didn’t.
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