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Heads up Senate is about to vote to advance Health Care Bill (Update: Passed)
11/21/2009

Posted on 11/21/2009 4:58:18 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour

ON Fox News now, Vote is underway!!!


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: 111th; assaultonthepeople; bhohealthcare; clownsincharge; corruption; criminals; deathpanels; elitistbastards; healthcare; hillary; hillarycare; noaccountability; obama; obamacare; reparationsbyrx; romney; romneycare; socializedmedicine
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To: elkfersupper
Women shouldn't be allowed to hold public office and non-male, non-property owners shouldn't be allowed to vote.

I wholeheartedly agree. I'd gladly give up my vote if it meant that the rest of the silly, emotion-ruling instead of rationality, fools lost theirs as well. My sex is an embarrassment to me.

141 posted on 11/21/2009 6:26:55 PM PST by publana (Obama, you will not intimidate me into not voicing my opinions.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs ---60
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Burris (D-IL)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Hagan (D-NC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kaufman (D-DE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kirk (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
NAYs ---39
Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kyl (R-AZ)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)
Not Voting - 1
Voinovich (R-OH)

142 posted on 11/21/2009 6:29:17 PM PST by deport
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To: XenaLee

The founding fathers were an intelligent, willful, organized minority: think about THAT and we can get somewhere! :)


143 posted on 11/21/2009 6:30:25 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: flynmudd

Could it be Kay Baily didn’t vote?


144 posted on 11/21/2009 6:30:34 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: traditional1

No I’m not kidding. You think it’s bad here, and it is, and getting worse. But Canada, for instance, has already prosecuted people by means of “Human Rights Councils” (I believe they’re called) for opposing homosexuality on Biblical grounds. I remember some thread here at FR from an article in a British paper that freedom of speech is not a constitutionally protected right. Ours may be in peril, but the bastards will have to openly defy our Constitution to do it.


145 posted on 11/21/2009 6:32:10 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: gas_dr

What was in Reid’s press that you thought was supportive?

Reid and the press have been spouting all along that this would not be passed this year but here it is. Why go through these motions if it is futile?

My take is there will be some sort of public option that is restricted but is expandable in the years ahead. That’s the way the statists always work it, start small and benign, and later metastacize.


146 posted on 11/21/2009 6:33:51 PM PST by Hostage
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To: publana

It’s the feminisation (liberalisation) of the nation and it’s politics since at least before the Civil War, that began in New England.


147 posted on 11/21/2009 6:34:30 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: Clemenza

Yeah, but back then, the founding fathers ONLY had to worry about the enemy without. The enemy within has now taken over and is driving us over the cliff at warp speed, all in the name of grabbing communist-style power. The founding fathers would have been stunned if they had had to deal with what we’re facing. There probably are no words for what they would have thought about what’s going on now.


148 posted on 11/21/2009 6:37:54 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: mrsmel

Oh, so they would have to “openly” defy our constitution?

Uh...what do you think they’ve BEEN doing for the past year?


149 posted on 11/21/2009 6:40:00 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: XenaLee
We had the enemy within, they were called LOYALISTS, most of whom went to Canada, many having their houses burned down in places like Monmouth County, New Jersey. 1/3 of the population were sheeple who either kept quiet or supported whoever seemed to be winning.

It isn't over yet.

150 posted on 11/21/2009 6:43:06 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: gas_dr

Everything is now treated with absolute hysteria and utter doom and gloom on this forum.


151 posted on 11/21/2009 6:48:39 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: XenaLee

They’re certainly tiptoeing all around it, but they haven’t yet gotten a court willing to strike “freedom of speech” from the Constitution yet. This right was never even enshrined in the constitutions of many European socialist nations. Their “rights” read more like a liberal’s socialist laundry list. The article I’m remembering had people from those countries openly stating that freedom of speech isn’t a primary human right.


152 posted on 11/21/2009 6:48:41 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: flynmudd; tallyhoe; Las Vegas Dave
In the final tally, all 58 Democrats, and the two independents allied with the party, joined together to move forward on the bill. The roll call was conducted with senators sitting at their desks, a rarely used show of decorum that underscored the significance of the vote. Thirty-nine Republicans were opposed. One Republican, Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio,didn't vote.

Ohio Ping

Fortunately Voinovich is retiring after this term.

Maybe we can elect a real Republican.

WSJ On-Line

153 posted on 11/21/2009 6:57:34 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: elkfersupper
Yep.


How Dramatically Did Women's Suffrage Change the Size and Scope of Government?

JOHN R. LOTT Jr.
American Enterprise Institute (AEI) (download links for whole document at bottom of page)

September 1998

University of Chicago Law School, John M. Olin Law & Economics Working Paper No. 60
Journal of Political Economy, Vol. 107, Number 6, Part 1, pp. 1163-1198, December 1999

Abstract:
This paper examines the growth of government during this century as a result of giving women the right to vote. Using cross-sectional time-series data for 1870 to 1940, we examine state government expenditures and revenue as well as voting by U.S. House and Senate state delegations and the passage of a wide range of different state laws. Suffrage coincided with immediate increases in state government expenditures and revenue and more liberal voting patterns for federal representatives, and these effects continued growing over time as more women took advantage of the franchise. Contrary to many recent suggestions, the gender gap is not something that has arisen since the 1970s, and it helps explain why American government started growing when it did.


154 posted on 11/21/2009 6:59:38 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: dep
Democrats and Independents

you mean whorehouse whores and streetwalkers.

The Dems taking whoring to a whole nother level!

155 posted on 11/21/2009 7:04:22 PM PST by 444Flyer (OBAMACARE: Population control and America Killing Bill!)
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To: Clemenza

Just like now, 1/3 are entitlement-minded leftist Zero supporters. But the other 2/3 is for liberty, a free America and following the constitution.

No, it’s not over. I’m afraid it is just beginning.


156 posted on 11/21/2009 7:07:36 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Did anyone just hear Dodd Say we have a right to certain things, not everything but certain things?!?!??!??!

He’s right.

You have a right to things that you can pay for with your own money.

You do not have a right to force others to pay for the things that you need or want with the power of government.

But of course that is not what he meant.

157 posted on 11/21/2009 7:12:03 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Sarah Barracuda

If you think it is so bad just commit suicide and go to heaven.


158 posted on 11/21/2009 7:12:53 PM PST by aheckle
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To: mrsmel

Yes, tiptoeing around it like enacting ‘hate speech’ laws that prosecute (persecute) Christians while protecting their immoral, degenerate constituency of homosexuals, pedaphiles, rapists and of course, murderers/terrorists.

And lest we forget, the DemocRats also want to make sure their supporters/constituents in prison get the chance to vote DemocRat too. That’s on their tic list for ‘Next Ramrod Action’.

And they act like they have a mandate to do all this when they know damned well they don’t. And here we sit.


159 posted on 11/21/2009 7:14:35 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: All

Tonight’s preview to the feature event.

2/26/2008

“Russian health-care system badly ailing
Graft is rife, staffing short in the nation’s poorly equipped hospitals,and it shows in death rates”

MALOYAROSLAVETS, Russia - Health care is supposed to be free in Russia, but Russians know that everyhospital has its under-the-table price list.
That’s why the family of Khazerya Ziyayetdinova, a 70-year-old womansuffering from severe bedsores, brought cash every time they visited her atHospital 67 in Moscow. To have Ziyayetdinova recover in a room instead of thehallway, relatives slipped an orderly $300. They paid nurses $20 to giveinjections, change bedpans and unclog catheters. Every chat withZiyayetdinova’s doctor cost $40.
“Our health-care system is still in the Middle Ages,” said Vera Pavlova,Ziyayetdinova’s daughter-in-law, sitting in her home in this small town 54miles southwest of Moscow. “There’s low professionalism, corruption – itmakes me very worried about finding myself in a situation where I might needmedical treatment.”
Russia is an unhealthy nation, and its health-care system is just as sick.Its hospitals are understaffed, poorly equipped and rife with corruption.
The biggest reason Russia’s population plummets at a rate of more than700,000 people each year is not that its birthrate is so low, but that itsdeath rate is so high. The average life expectancy for Russian men is 59. Inthe U.S. it’s 75; in Japan it’s 79.
Alcohol and smoking are major culprits. Both are linked to heart disease,and in Russia, the rate of men ages 30 to 59 dying from heart disease isfive times that of the United States, according to researchers at ColumbiaUniversity.
Prevention and better health care can help reverse that trend. The Russiangovernment is pumping $6.4 billion into revamping health care; much of thatmoney is paying for the construction of eight high-tech medical centers acrossthe country, new X-ray machines, electrocardiograms and ambulances athospitals, and raises for family doctors.
But doctors and nurses in the Russian Far East city of Amursk are stillwaiting for the overhaul to reach their hospital. In January 2007, thehospital ran out of syringes and asked patients to bring their own, said OlgaCherevko, a nurse at the hospital. Even something as fundamental as keepingpharmacies stocked can prove problematic for Russia’s beleaguered health-caresystem. A bureaucratic breakdown in late 2006 led to a severe shortage ingovernment-supplied prescription drugs.
Russians with enough money were able to buy medicine privately. Buthundreds of thousands of Russians with high blood pressure, diabetes, asthmaand other diseases had to do without the drugs for weeks.
Russian officials have promised that the errors that led to the drugshortage won’t happen again. They can’t be as reassuring when it comes tocorruption that demands bribes for everything from surgery to clean sheets.
Researchers at the Open Health Institute estimate that corruption siphonsoff as much as 35 percent of money spent on health care (this sentence aspublished has been corrected in this text). Low wages perpetuate the problem;yearly doctor salaries in Russia average $5,160 to $6,120. Nurses make anaverage of $2,760 to $3,780 annually.
Pavlova estimates that Ziyayetdinova’s family shelled out nearly $5,000 inbribes during the time Ziyayetdinova was hospitalized.
At a skin clinic in Moscow, nurses charged $20 each time they appliedointment to Ziyayetdinova’s bedsores. One of her sons began sweeping up herward during visits because a nurse said room cleanup was the responsibility ofpatients or their families – not hospital staff.
The money never really helped. Ziyayetdinova died. Doctors said she died ofa heart deficiency, but Pavlova and Ziyayetdinova’s sons are convinced theindifference and neglect Ziyayetdinova endured during her hospitalizationcontributed to her death.
“It was as if their goal wasn’t to save someone’s life,” Pavlova said, “asif they thought their role was to be a last stage before death. To be a placethat prepares a person to die.”

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/feb/26/news/chi-russia_side_tuesdayfeb26


160 posted on 11/21/2009 7:14:56 PM PST by 444Flyer (OBAMACARE: Population control and America Killing Bill!)
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