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Soft Muscle Tissue Found in Fossil Salamander (evos claim it is 18 million years old!)
CEH ^ | November 6, 2009

Posted on 11/09/2009 9:44:55 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: Natural Law

Job 40:19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

I find it hard to reconcile a hippo with this description and did before I had ever heard of YEC. It is difficult enough with the physical description but this puts it over the top.


81 posted on 11/09/2009 4:58:26 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: Natural Law

Flawed. Just because you have an aritifact dated at 2000 BC doesn’t mean it is the oldest one.


82 posted on 11/09/2009 5:00:33 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: Salamander

That was about a dinosaur fossil not the salamander one. Sorry!


83 posted on 11/09/2009 5:02:56 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
"I find it hard to reconcile a hippo with this description..."

The hippo is one of the fiercest animals in the world. There are many historical accounts of deadly hippo attacks. Sounds to me like Job is saying you need God on your side to go up against one.

84 posted on 11/09/2009 5:04:24 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

Yes hippos can be very ferocious but actually I was talking about the part “chief of the ways of God” part. But you are right, because it doesn’t actually use our modern day terms for whatever animal it was, it is open to our interpretation.


85 posted on 11/09/2009 5:09:33 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: Natural Law

Show us that pic of a hippo with a tail like a cedar tree!


86 posted on 11/09/2009 5:10:41 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: par4

Why are you assuming that Job existed before the flood?


87 posted on 11/09/2009 5:12:27 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: editor-surveyor
"Show us that pic of a hippo with a tail like a cedar tree!"

As soon as you show me a picture of a dinosaur that better meets each of the descriptors. However, Job doesn't say the tail looks like a cedar, or is shaped like a cedar, or is large or as strong as a cedar, only that it bends or sways like a cedar. Come on guys, you are reaching (The Flinstones was a fictional cartoon.)

88 posted on 11/09/2009 5:22:17 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
"...it doesn’t actually use our modern day terms for whatever animal it was..."

Not only does it [the bible] not use modern neames for what ever animal it was the Bible doesn't give anyother name for a hippo or a whale. Why do you think that is?

89 posted on 11/09/2009 5:25:07 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

No, you are the one that is reaching.

The ‘Bronto’ had a tail shaped like, and as large as a cedar tree. (actually, they still do according to people in the northern Congo)


90 posted on 11/09/2009 5:26:06 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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91 posted on 11/09/2009 5:31:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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92 posted on 11/09/2009 5:33:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: GodGunsGuts
”We noticed that there had been very little degradation since it was originally fossilised about 18 million years ago, ..."
93 posted on 11/09/2009 5:40:10 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: editor-surveyor
"The ‘Bronto’ had a tail shaped like, and as large as a cedar tree."

I can understand why YEC's don't study Paleontology, but don't pass yourselves off as experts. The "Bronto's" (Apatosaurus) tail was long and whip like. The hippo's tail is short with a conifer like tufting on last half of it. Try googling it before further embarrassing yourself.

94 posted on 11/09/2009 5:42:33 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: GodGunsGuts

What difference does it make to a Cretin?
The Earth is only 6000 years old remember?


95 posted on 11/09/2009 5:59:46 PM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Kozak

Well since you brought it up, evo-cretins get very uncomfortable with fossils that their evo-religion compels them to believe are tens to hundreds of millions of years old, and yet still have the soft tissue intact.


96 posted on 11/09/2009 6:11:58 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Natural Law
The “bronto” was another one of those frauds wasn't it?
97 posted on 11/09/2009 6:13:39 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Natural Law; GodGunsGuts
My explanation involves contemporaneous animals from the region that match the description very closely. In both cases they are animals that would have been known to the neolithic and bronze aged tribesmen of the region. Your explanation requires suspension of disbelief in order to patch the hole in your Young Earth theory that the discovery of dinosaurs presents. How do you explain that there are no biblical references to either hippos or whales other than these? While you are at it, what is the ancient Hebrew word for "Nessie"?

Leviathan:

Can you pull in the leviathan [a] with a fishhook or tie down his tongue with a rope?

2 Can you put a cord through his nose or pierce his jaw with a hook?

3 Will he keep begging you for mercy? Will he speak to you with gentle words?

4 Will he make an agreement with you for you to take him as your slave for life?

5 Can you make a pet of him like a bird or put him on a leash for your girls?

6 Will traders barter for him? Will they divide him up among the merchants?

7 Can you fill his hide with harpoons or his head with fishing spears?

8 If you lay a hand on him, you will remember the struggle and never do it again!

9 Any hope of subduing him is false; the mere sight of him is overpowering.

10 No one is fierce enough to rouse him. Who then is able to stand against me?

11 Who has a claim against me that I must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to me.

12 "I will not fail to speak of his limbs, his strength and his graceful form.

13 Who can strip off his outer coat? Who would approach him with a bridle?

14 Who dares open the doors of his mouth, ringed about with his fearsome teeth?

15 His back has [b] rows of shields tightly sealed together;

16 each is so close to the next that no air can pass between.

17 They are joined fast to one another; they cling together and cannot be parted.

18 His snorting throws out flashes of light; his eyes are like the rays of dawn.

19 Firebrands stream from his mouth; sparks of fire shoot out.

20 Smoke pours from his nostrils as from a boiling pot over a fire of reeds.

21 His breath sets coals ablaze, and flames dart from his mouth.

22 Strength resides in his neck; dismay goes before him.

23 The folds of his flesh are tightly joined; they are firm and immovable.

24 His chest is hard as rock, hard as a lower millstone.

25 When he rises up, the mighty are terrified; they retreat before his thrashing.

26 The sword that reaches him has no effect, nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin.

27 Iron he treats like straw and bronze like rotten wood.

28 Arrows do not make him flee; slingstones are like chaff to him.

29 A club seems to him but a piece of straw; he laughs at the rattling of the lance.

30 His undersides are jagged potsherds, leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge.

31 He makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment.

32 Behind him he leaves a glistening wake; one would think the deep had white hair.

33 Nothing on earth is his equal— a creature without fear.

34 He looks down on all that are haughty; he is king over all that are proud."

This chapter, every word, obviously describes a dinosaur. It took until the 1800s for clueless evos to discover dinosaurs - once again, the Bible and Creation Science beat evolutionists to the punch.

Is there anything that the evos can get right? You'd think all those billions of taxpayer funding used to prop up their false religion would reveal something actually correct that wasn't written in the Word first! (Seems like the little they do know was copycatted from creationists...)

98 posted on 11/09/2009 6:15:55 PM PST by WondrousCreation (Good science regarding the Earth's past only reveals what Christians have known for centuries!)
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To: Natural Law

The Bible doesn’t give a name for alot of modern animals. It doesn’t talk about elephants, giraffes, cats (that I could find), turkey. All I conclude from that is that the Bible doesn’t mention these animals or that some of the names have been changed from Biblical times. Example Deuteronomy 14:5
The hart, and the roebuck, and the fallow deer, and the wild goat, and the pygarg, and the wild ox, and the chamois.

Blessings!


99 posted on 11/09/2009 6:19:49 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
No, people who believe in paleontology have no problem believing that soft tissues can be preserved for millions of years under the proper conditions. But you aren't interested in science. Only in your propaganda from the Cretin Swamp.

Soft tissue and cellular preservation in vertebrate skeletal elements from the Cretaceous to the present
100 posted on 11/09/2009 6:21:35 PM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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