Posted on 11/05/2009 3:11:02 PM PST by kellynla
You don't believe it or you don't care? If you don't believe it, Google for:
freerepublic site:stormfront.org
Not all Muslims are "True Islamics" in the sense that you mean it just as not all Catholics are pro-life or anti-divorce. Religion is funny that way.
More useful than persecuting Muslims in the United States or keeping them all out would be defending non-Muslims in Muslim nations. The biggest threat to Islam right now is the Internet which let’s Muslims see other religions, ideas, and the testimony of ex-Muslims that their countries have historically kept them away from. That’s why the worst Islamists come out of culturally isolated communities that keep to themselves and from people who feel drawn to such people. What doesn’t help is them thinking that Americans want them all dead because when you give people a choice between to devils, they’ll pick the devil they know. Racism drives blacks into the arms of black radicals and race hustlers. Things like affirmative action and black-on-white crime drive whites toward racist groups (see my earlier links to how StormFront tries to recruit on Free Republic). Anti-Muslim sentiments and alienation drive Muslims toward radicals, too. That’s just how human nature works. We aren’t going to win by creating more and more radical jihadists.
By the way, I posted links to two articles about Muslim informants earlier in the thread. They exist. That they want to keep a low profile is understandable.
Islam is not a race
Islam is a vicious cult
I've read the koran as well as Will and Ariel Durant's essay on the muslim conquest of India and how it set back civilization several century's
so play the race card all you want,like I said I don't care
But true Catholics don’t become homicidal when they fully embrace their religion.
It’s a pretty fundamental difference.
I just saw that post. That’s over the top bullshit, buddy.
Obama should be impeached for treason.
Or perhaps he won't survive much longer IMHO, if he keeps it up.Hillery Clinton predicted that in the run up to the 2008 presidential election.She knew more about him then then we did.
You’re out of your ****ing mind.
You’re saying that the reason Muslims kill for jihad is beacuse “we” are “isolating” them.
You’re out of your ****king mind.
You can take all your full of crap “logical” sounding defense of Islamic jihad and swallow it whole. I’m finished with tormenting my common sense, knowledge of Islam and its history around the world for the last 1300 years up to the present day by engaging with you.
One little example of your total, 100%, bullshit:
I’m talking about historical attitudes toward Mormons, which were not as friendly as they are today and still aren’t so friendly for some people. What’s to stop a modern Mormon from following the examples of their founders?
Yes indeedy, Mormons are *just* as dangerous as Muslims, yes indeedy!
You’re a ****ing disgrace to FR.
BG - can you believe this crap?
Radical Muslims were performing jihad around the world ever since 700 AD. There was no internet in those days.
They slaughtered, pillaged, raped, tortured, enslaved, destroyed, forcibly converted and on and on all by their selves without the effects of mean people who say mean things about Islam.
It’s their religion *and* their culture and they like to to do it whether anyone else likes it or doesn’t like it.
It’s not OUR fault that they hate us, as you directly say, you a**HOLE:
Anti-Muslim sentiments and alienation drive Muslims toward radicals, too. That’s just how human nature works. We aren’t going to win by creating more and more radical jihadists.
It’s not US creating radical Muslims, it’s their OWN MULLAHS and IMAMS in their own MADRASSAHS and MOSQUES and you know this but you are a freaking Islamic enabler and you make me want to vomit.
No. Pay attention. I'm saying that the reason radical Muslim jihadists are increasing their ranks and growing is that they control the population and the message. Of course they go through great effort to isolate and alienate other Muslims themselves because that's how they recruit them. But we help them recruit if we help them to isolate and alienate Muslims who aren't otherwise radical. Saying, "I want to deport you, discriminate against you, or even kill you, even if you've done nothing wrong and have no intention of doing anything wrong," pushes those people right into the arms of CAIR and the radicals. The way to undermine them and their message is to give Muslims alternatives and to expose them to Western culture. Maybe some will decide they no longer believe in Islam and, like Wafa Sultan, decide to fight the whole religion from the inside. Maybe some like Fathima Rifqa Bary will convert to Christianity. Maybe some, like my friend, will become libertarians and embrace a pluralistic society and treat their religion as a personal choice (that same friend's family celebrated Christmas as a secular holiday when he was a child, too). But for that to happen, they need to be engaged with the Western world, not isolated or alienated from it.
Yes indeedy, Mormons are *just* as dangerous as Muslims, yes indeedy!
My point was that many religions have had people who murdered in the name of their religion at one point or another, in response to a claim that Islam was somehow unique in this regard. There was a time in American history when the Mormons were considered a menace (their founder was murdered by a lynch mob) and some actually did murder a group of non-Mormons and took their children. No, that's not the mainstream of the Mormon religion today because the Mormons were given incentive to change in the form of statehood for Utah.
How do you fight a cult, then?
You’re a disgusting Muslim enabler. Mormons and Muslims have nothing in common other than the letter “M” and some fairytale-isms in their books.
You nauseate me to the max.
You never, ever address my main points.
You’re freaking slick. You are basically saying that “we” (?) create jihadis by “isolating” Muslims. THey’re being created RIGHT NOW in Muslim countries.
If the cult is a harmless bunch of people who believe nonsense, you let them alone.
If the cult is a bunch of freaks who teach and practice jihad, you punish them as appropriate and deport them out of the country if they are active in preaching, teaching and recruitment.
If they are harmless and aren’t preaching and teaching Sharia and jihad, let them alone.
And Arabic speaking minders should be attending every mosque function in the country.
And since all of what you just wrote exists and always will, as I said, IF we want to win, we’ll have to kill them all.
Here’s a final question for you. You know where 1,000,000 muslims are and you know 10 of them have enough nukes to destroy the world but you don’t know which 10. Do you kill all 1,000,000 or do you wait and let the ten bad ones kill their 1,000,000 friends PLUS the rest of humanity?
You fail to see the one indisputable fact. This is a war against Islam. Every enemy we’ve killed, who pulled off 9/11, who attacked the Cole, and right down the line were Islamic. And this ain’t the first war with Islam and we didn’t start this one.
I don’t know why you can’t admit that their very religion teaches them that the entire world must be converted or killed. And that’s why they hate us and we’re not going to change their mind by being nice. And we should not allow them in our military simply because we don’t know which ones are willing to die as long as they can take some soldiers with them. And we should not allow them to live here. We did fine for a few hundred years without them.
All of this is pointless since there are too many people like you who refuse to admit there’s only one way to win. But I will tell you this. When you finally realize that being nice didn’t pay off and they’re coming for you with their sword with the intentions of cutting your head off, don’t come to me. I’ll be fighting to my last breath to defend myself and my family but I fight to defend you and Michael Moore.
Good luck in fairy tale land.
So you’re saying that “we” just have to be nicer to Muslims - like give them a state of their own - and they’ll quit doing what they have been doing NONSTOP since 700 AD.
Bullshit.
I wonder how much each of them donated to Obama campaign?
He’s either in fairytale land or he likes Muslims and jihad. There is no other explanation. Leftists are crazy like this, I have them in my family.
They talk real smart and slick - highly educated just like this dude - and they are 110% full of shit up to the eyeballs. They think white is black and black is white.
Neither do Sufis.
As I mentioned earlier, the Albigensian Crusade, which killed between 200,000 and a million French for being heretics, was initiated by a Pope and it was a Papal legate who, when asked by a Crusader how he could make sure he was only killing heretics, was told, "Caedite eos! Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius" - "Kill them [all]! Surely the Lord discerns which [ones] are his". Do you think the Crusader, following a Papal decree and asking for moral guidance from a Papal legate, wasn't fully embracing his religion? How about if he followed the Papal legate's advice?
It's a pretty fundamental difference.
OK. So let's go back to one of my original concerns which was Constitutional protection for religion. How does one distinguish a religion that promotes homicide or is a cult (and remember that the Old Testament includes quite a few calls for death) from a legitimate religion? Where do we draw a line between a legitimate religion worthy of Constitutional protection and a death cult?
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