MAJ. GEN. ROBERT SCALES (RET.) "This was a deliberate act of execution." (FOX NEWS)

FOX NEWS | 11/5/2009 | MAJ. GEN. ROBERT SCALES (RET.)

[kellynla]

MAJ. GEN. ROBERT SCALES (RET.) "This was a deliberate act of execution."

[Shyla]

Thank you. I am guessing last names were not mentioned.

[massmike]

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[Question_Assumptions]

Declaring Religions, plural, not permissable, no. Declaring one religion, specifically Islam, is incompatable with freedom, absolutely.

And who gets to decide that and how? There are plenty of liberals who consider Christianity incompatible with freedom, which is why it's such a punching bag in the mainstream media. And there are plenty of atheists who believe all religion is incompatible with freedom. Whould you put them in charge of deciding which religions get the stamp of approval and which don't? That's how totalitarian thinking always work. People imagine people who think like they do getting to decide who gets liberty and who doesn't, but the problem is that it never works out that way and once you give people the power to decide such things, it never stops where you want it to stop.

Muslims are involved in nearly every major conflict on the planet.

If you haven't noticed, in the Balkans, it took three to tango, with Catholic, Orthodox, and Muslims all taking turns abusing each other when they had the power to do so.

Muslims have been involved in nearly every major terrorist event in the past.

But not every one, because there is that pesky Timothy McVeigh, whose ideas weren't all that different from a lot of people who post here. Oh, and Eric Rudolph. Yeah, he had a lot of views that are fairly common here, too. And before that, we had the left-wing radicals of the 1960s and 1970s who were probably mostly atheists.

Yes, I understand that there are some particularly nasty sects of Islam but what you seem to be missing is that not all Muslims are Fundamentalists or Islamonazis just like most conservatives are not going to blow up a government building, an Olympics venue, or an abortion clinic. You are playing the same game the left plays when they try to paint all conservatives as a Timothy McVeigh in training and they use the same arguments to try to suppress conservative speech and Christianity. Liberty is always at odds with security, hence the quote, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

I get it. I get the slippery slope argument. If we dont defend someone's right to be a muslim then what happens when they come for christians....I get it, I just dont care right now.

And that's the problem, isn't it? Totalitarian governments and genocides don't happen because people start out picking a totalitarian government or a genocide. They start out because people are frightened and are willing to sacrifice their liberties and principles to feel safe again.

I care more about not getting killed in a plane flying into a building, or burying soldiers because some fool wanted to kill them before they could go fight, or worse, not seeing a mushroom cloud over a major US city.

I care a great deal about the mushroom cloud but persecuting innocent Muslims in the United States isn't going to stop that. Going after the countries building nuclear bombs might. And you have a greater chance of dying from all sorts of things than you have of dying from a Muslim terrorist taking over a plane you are one (I say this as someone who had flown on United's flight 93 out of Newark before 9/11). Think of all the lives we could save if we banned cars or carefully controlled what people eat? Again, does that sound like a conservative line of thinking to you?

When the mob moves on to try to get rid of a religion that isn't chock full, right now in the present day and age, of fanatics who wake up every morning and spend their day training to kill Americans, or spend every spare dollar trying to fund such activity, then I will make my empassioned stand against the mob. Right now, we're under attack, and need to let Allah sort them out.

The problem is that by then, it's always too late. The solution is to go against the fanatics who are training in closed paramilitary camps just like the government investigates closed hate group camps and militias and to not let Muslims get away with demanding special treatment, but the solution is not to persecute innocent Muslims, many of whom are not members of radical sects. Make sensible distinctions rather than concemning an entire group.

[tokerinchiefisanacornamerican]

“Notice to any jihad wannabees: pull your crap around here, we will kill you.”

Your phraseology has a nice ring to it. Most Americans would love to see such a sign posted on their military bases. Might want to consider selling bumper stickers, too!

[Brown Deer]

Dr. Nidal Malik Hasan MD
Psychiatry
2 Wramc Department
6900 Georgia Avenue, NW
Washington , DC - 20307
301-625-9797

Name: Nidal M Hasan
Birth Date: Sep 1970
Address: 666 Ramada Rd, Vinton, Virginia 24179-0501 (1993)

Nidal Malik Hasan, MD

LICENSE # 0101238630
Issue Date: 7/12/2005
Expiration Date: 9/30/2010
Status: Current Active

Darnall Army Medical Center
36000 Darnall Loop
Ft. Hood, TX 76544
Phone: 301-547-1599

Grad School: Uniformed Services University Of The Health Sciences F. Edward Herbert School Of Medicine - Bethesda MD
Year Completed: 2003

Psychiatry
WRAMC
Washington, DC USA
Year Residency Completed: 2007

Disaster and Preventive Psychiatry
USUHS/WRAMC
Bethesda, MD USA
Year Fellowship Completed: 2009

More Information on Fort Hood Shooting Suspect

Posted: Nov 05, 2009 6:07 PM CST
Updated: Nov 05, 2009 7:26 PM CST

Military officials say the suspected shooter at Fort Hood was a psychiatrist at Walter Reed Army Medical Center for six years before being transferred to the Texas base in July.

The officials had access to Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan's military record. They said he received a poor performance evaluation while at Walter Reed.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because military records are confidential.

Federal law enforcement officials say the Hasan came to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The Virginia-born soldier was single with no children. He was 39 years old.

He is a graduate of Virginia Tech University, where he was a member of the ROTC and earned a bachelor's degree in biochemistry in 1997. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001. At Walter Reed, he did his internship, residency and a fellowship.

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Parents (thanks to maggief):

OBIT
Roanoke Times, The (VA) - Saturday, April 18, 1998

HASAN , Malik Awadallah, 52, passed away Thursday, April 16, 1998, at his home in Vinton. He was born in Palestine on August 7, 1946, and emigrated to the United States at age 16, spending most of his life in Virginia. He moved to Roanoke in 1985 and began a successful business career. He is best remembered for his cheerfulness, honesty and kindness toward everyone. He owned the infamous Capitol Restaurant on the market for many years. Most recently, he established the Mount Olive Grill and Bar and was renovating the Community Grocery on Elm Avenue. He is survived by his wife, Hanan; three sons, Nidal , Anas and Eyad; a sister; four brothers; 33 nieces and nephews; 37 great-nieces and great-nephews, and scores of extended family. He will be deeply missed by all who knew him. Funeral services will be held at 10:30 a.m. Sunday, April 19, at Everly Funeral Home in Fairfax. Interment will follow in National Memorial Park in Falls Church. Friends may call the funeral home at (703) 385-1110.

OBIT - HASAN , HANAN ISMAIL, (NORA)
Roanoke Times, The (VA) - Thursday, May 31, 2001

HASAN , Hanan Ismail, (Nora), 49, passed away Wednesday, May 30, 2001, surrounded by her loved ones. She was born in Palestine January 15, 1952 and came to the United States as a young girl. She moved to Roanoke in 1986 after her husband, the late Malik Hasan , came here the year before to begin what would be a successful business venture for the entire family. Nora became infamous in Roanoke for her leadership in running the Capitol Restaurant, formerly located on the Market. She was known for her ability to keep sometimes rowdy customers out of trouble and always had a warm meal for someone who otherwise would not have anything to eat that evening. She was also a major figure at the Community Grocery Store and in the establishment of the Mount Olive Grill and Bar. She was preceded in death by her husband three years ago. She is survived by her three sons, Nidal , Anas, and Eyad; her parents; six sisters; two brothers; 29 nieces and nephews; 2 great-nieces; and scores of extended family. She will be greatly missed by all those who knew her. Funeral services and prayers will be held May 31 at Dar Al Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church at 1 p.m. Interment will follow in National Memorial Park. Please send condolences to the Hasan Family c / o Community Grocery, 124 Elm Avenue, SW, Roanoke, Va. 24016.

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Co-Worker: Ft. Hood Suspect Made ‘Outlandish’ Comments Condemning US Foreign Policy

"He said, precisely, that maybe the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor."

[little jeremiah]

History tells the tale.

If you don’t see this, you need to read up on the history of Islam.

[Question_Assumptions]

And there are plenty of neo-Pagans who curse the day Christianity came to Europe. History is what it is. I think there is plenty to be troubled by in Islam but we're not going to win the war of ideas by sounding as crazy, dangerous, and genocidal as they do. Remember, plenty of Americans believe that right-wing radicals are every bit as dangrous sa the Muslim radicals and people like Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph sure didn't help with that perception. But it is fair to assume that everyone here is a Timothy McVeigh waiting to happen or that Margaret Atwood's A Handmaid's Tale is a real possiblity?

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Make sensible distinctions rather than concemning an entire group.

Moderate Muslim = out of bullets

Islamic birth control is a bomb strapped to a ten year old.

HOW'S THAT FOR YA? I hate them.

"The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."

-Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

"One cannot but ponder the question: What if the Arabs had been Christian? To me it seems certain that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of women is the outstanding cause for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have kept on developing. Here, I think, is a text for some eloquent sermon on the virtues of Christianity."

- Gen. George S. Patton, War As I Knew It

[Brown Deer]

General Cone:

Shooter NOT dead!

[LaineyDee]

At some time one has to distinguish between legitimate religions and cults.

We used to......until it became politically incorrect.

[Cvengr]

Well, a couple of things become obvious.

1) Thank God he wasn’t a grunt or the death toll would have been about 10 times as high.

2) The guy obviously wasn’t well trained as in the use of firearms and tactics or the death and casualty rates would have been at least 5 times as high.

3) He obviously wasn’t a Ranger or else he would have just used his Bic pen instead of a firearm to achieve his intended death toll.

News report now says he is still alive and hospitalized.

[little jeremiah]

You believe all that? That he was harassed for his “ethnicity”?

Come on.

Oh, and his delicate sensibilities were tornmented hearing the “horror” stories. Tormented enough to slaughter innocent people shouting (Allahu Akbar?) in Arabic during the slaughter.

[SoCalTransplant]

I’m not trying to convince you. Guys like you will crowd in the back of the plane, 3 seconds before impact into the face of Mt. Rushmore, with your last thought being “thank God we respected their civil rights”.

Which religions get the stamp of approval? How about the ones who dont keep constantly turning up in murderous plots in the name of Muslim diginity and honor. Lets start there.

I dont care about the peaceful tolerant muslims. They dont seem to care enough about the rest to turn in the terrorists in their mosques, and you will never convince me that they dont know about them. They dont turn out in the streets of Islamic countries to protest Muslim attacks. Rather, they turn out to celebrate.

As for McVeigh, How long are people like you who want to defend Islamists going to seek cover under that one guy ? Timothy McVeigh was one out of 200 Million white guys, or 159 Million christians, if you want to break it down that way. Thats hardly representative of Christianity. Islam in America however, a much smaller group, keeps turning out radicals by the dozens who commit and attempt atrocities, and when they do, we have organizations like CAIR who turn out to tell us “yes, its horrible, but the Israeli occupation is too, and so is the American war in Iraq”. How many whites or Christians defended McVeigh’s actions, or said they should be understood in context?

You keep talking about innocent muslims. You are simply and infinately more convinced than I am that they exist, at least in large enough numbers to be concerned with.

[little jeremiah]

You’re very clever.

But not clever enough. You revealed a bit too much of your own ideology as below.

Any country or culture that doesn’t want to see the difference between Mormons and Muslims isn’t going to last very long, once the Muslims declare jihad on them.

[Question_Assumptions]

You're very clever.

But not clever enough. You revealed a bit too much of your own ideology as below.

And what ideology is that?

Any country or culture that doesn't want to see the difference between Mormons and Muslims isn't going to last very long, once the Muslims declare jihad on them.

You might want to look at how the Mormons were viewed in the past. And Catholics, too. The best defense against Jihad is to insist that our liberties be respected, not throwing them under the bus and becoming just like the bad guys.

[kellynla]

Gen. Cone is saying “single shooter”

[RipSawyer]

?If you’re Muslim, you are identified and deported.?
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Deported? There are hungry alligators in South Carolina and you talk about deporting?

[little jeremiah]

“There is nothing mentally wrong with him. No, I don’t know how he reconciles Islam with other parts of his life but I do know that he practices it very narrowly to the point where he separates out the cultural practices such that his wife doesn’t wear a headscarf and his son isn’t circumcised. But, guess what? I honestly don’t know how Mormons can believe what they believe, either, especially given how messed up their founders were. So should I assume Glenn Beck is insane, too? How about Jews? How about Catholics? How about Hindus? And by far, the most murderous ideologies of the 20th Century were atheist, killing well over 100 million innocent people. Should I treat all atheists as guilty until proven innocent? Or maybe we should judge people on how they individually behave rather than what they are and how other people like them behave?”

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I know where I’ve seen this crap before. It’s from atheist handbooks.

[Terry Mross]

Yes, if we want to stop omelets from being made.

[little jeremiah]

I am disgusted by your crap. I am sorry but your equating Islam with Quakers, Mormons, atheism, Hindus, Christians is nauseating me beyond toleration.

And this:

The reason this asshole MUSLIM killed 11 people and wounded a couple of scores of others is becuase ISLAM IS TOLERATED in this country! Becuse criticsim of Islam is NOT tolerated! The very position you are espousing and supporting is the VERY REASON THOSE PEOPLE ARE DEAD RIGHT NOW!

GOT IT?????