And who gets to decide that and how? There are plenty of liberals who consider Christianity incompatible with freedom, which is why it's such a punching bag in the mainstream media. And there are plenty of atheists who believe all religion is incompatible with freedom. Whould you put them in charge of deciding which religions get the stamp of approval and which don't? That's how totalitarian thinking always work. People imagine people who think like they do getting to decide who gets liberty and who doesn't, but the problem is that it never works out that way and once you give people the power to decide such things, it never stops where you want it to stop.
Muslims are involved in nearly every major conflict on the planet.
If you haven't noticed, in the Balkans, it took three to tango, with Catholic, Orthodox, and Muslims all taking turns abusing each other when they had the power to do so.
Muslims have been involved in nearly every major terrorist event in the past.
But not every one, because there is that pesky Timothy McVeigh, whose ideas weren't all that different from a lot of people who post here. Oh, and Eric Rudolph. Yeah, he had a lot of views that are fairly common here, too. And before that, we had the left-wing radicals of the 1960s and 1970s who were probably mostly atheists.
Yes, I understand that there are some particularly nasty sects of Islam but what you seem to be missing is that not all Muslims are Fundamentalists or Islamonazis just like most conservatives are not going to blow up a government building, an Olympics venue, or an abortion clinic. You are playing the same game the left plays when they try to paint all conservatives as a Timothy McVeigh in training and they use the same arguments to try to suppress conservative speech and Christianity. Liberty is always at odds with security, hence the quote, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
I get it. I get the slippery slope argument. If we dont defend someone's right to be a muslim then what happens when they come for christians....I get it, I just dont care right now.
And that's the problem, isn't it? Totalitarian governments and genocides don't happen because people start out picking a totalitarian government or a genocide. They start out because people are frightened and are willing to sacrifice their liberties and principles to feel safe again.
I care more about not getting killed in a plane flying into a building, or burying soldiers because some fool wanted to kill them before they could go fight, or worse, not seeing a mushroom cloud over a major US city.
I care a great deal about the mushroom cloud but persecuting innocent Muslims in the United States isn't going to stop that. Going after the countries building nuclear bombs might. And you have a greater chance of dying from all sorts of things than you have of dying from a Muslim terrorist taking over a plane you are one (I say this as someone who had flown on United's flight 93 out of Newark before 9/11). Think of all the lives we could save if we banned cars or carefully controlled what people eat? Again, does that sound like a conservative line of thinking to you?
When the mob moves on to try to get rid of a religion that isn't chock full, right now in the present day and age, of fanatics who wake up every morning and spend their day training to kill Americans, or spend every spare dollar trying to fund such activity, then I will make my empassioned stand against the mob. Right now, we're under attack, and need to let Allah sort them out.
The problem is that by then, it's always too late. The solution is to go against the fanatics who are training in closed paramilitary camps just like the government investigates closed hate group camps and militias and to not let Muslims get away with demanding special treatment, but the solution is not to persecute innocent Muslims, many of whom are not members of radical sects. Make sensible distinctions rather than concemning an entire group.
Moderate Muslim = out of bullets
Islamic birth control is a bomb strapped to a ten year old.
HOW'S THAT FOR YA? I hate them.
"The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."-Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).
"One cannot but ponder the question: What if the Arabs had been Christian? To me it seems certain that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of women is the outstanding cause for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have kept on developing. Here, I think, is a text for some eloquent sermon on the virtues of Christianity."
- Gen. George S. Patton, War As I Knew It
I’m not trying to convince you. Guys like you will crowd in the back of the plane, 3 seconds before impact into the face of Mt. Rushmore, with your last thought being “thank God we respected their civil rights”.
Which religions get the stamp of approval? How about the ones who dont keep constantly turning up in murderous plots in the name of Muslim diginity and honor. Lets start there.
I dont care about the peaceful tolerant muslims. They dont seem to care enough about the rest to turn in the terrorists in their mosques, and you will never convince me that they dont know about them. They dont turn out in the streets of Islamic countries to protest Muslim attacks. Rather, they turn out to celebrate.
As for McVeigh, How long are people like you who want to defend Islamists going to seek cover under that one guy ? Timothy McVeigh was one out of 200 Million white guys, or 159 Million christians, if you want to break it down that way. Thats hardly representative of Christianity. Islam in America however, a much smaller group, keeps turning out radicals by the dozens who commit and attempt atrocities, and when they do, we have organizations like CAIR who turn out to tell us “yes, its horrible, but the Israeli occupation is too, and so is the American war in Iraq”. How many whites or Christians defended McVeigh’s actions, or said they should be understood in context?
You keep talking about innocent muslims. You are simply and infinately more convinced than I am that they exist, at least in large enough numbers to be concerned with.