Posted on 11/04/2009 8:52:44 PM PST by TaraP
In last 24 hours, an unknown virus (presumed pneumonic plague) infected another 37 thousand and killed 12 more people. The authorities deny that this is pneumonic plague, and insist that people die from influenza, pneumonia and ARI.
Meanwhile, an emergency message from the President of Ukraine to the international community to immediately help in the fight against the virus, only reinforces the suspicion that pneumonia and influenza is not the cause.
"The current threat to national security of Ukraine, which we can not offset on our own, requires me to turn to our closest friends and strategic partners for emergency aid", - Yushchenko said in an appeal to the leaders of Belarus, Hungary, Moldova, Poland, Romania, Russia Slovakia, USA, and EU Commission President and Secretary General of NATO.
According to the operative data of the Ministry of Health on 1 November, recorded through out the country more than 191 thousand patients with unknown disease of lungs. Of these, 83 thousand are children. Total number deaths recorded - 60, 123 people are dying.
Day before, on October 31, according to Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko, 154 200 people fell ill, according to official data, 48 patients died, including two children.
Authorities officially called the disease "swine flu", "California flu", "SARS","pneumonia", but doctors say on the basis of clinical data and the rapidity of the epidemic, that it is pneumonic plague.
Many Ukrainians believe that Ukraine has been infected with pneumonic plague by Russian terrorist organization, the FSB of Russia, using bacteriological weapons to destabilize the situation necessary for the armed aggression of Russia against Ukraine.
According to unofficial information, the death rate in Ukraine from the alleged pneumonic plague is higher than officially announced.
According to unofficial data, "in Ukraine over the past week about 1500 people have already died. As noted by some doctors, the reason - pneumonic plague. High temperatures from the first day, a burning sensation in the chest, the desire to drink cold and nausea - all of these symptoms are frightening. People die within few days.
On the other hand, Ukrainian media reported that the virus is rapidly spreading in Ukraine and has already reached Odessa:
"1 woman died in the area of Odessa. Swine influenza has not been confirmed, most likely pneumonic plague was the cause.
Odessa and the region is already infected, most likely, is mutated pneumonic plague ", - said one of the doctors of private clinics in Odessa.
"The panic that spreads through the city, is so great that people are willing to sit at home even on just bread and water. Lack of gauze dressings in the city and surrounding areas - is just the beginning, and there is no elementary necessary ascorbic acid and inhalers.
Meanwhile, the first officially recorded death is because of pneumonic plague, and believe me in reality the are much more, "- says the Odessa physician.
All the doctors throughout Ukraine say that this is pneumonic plague.
"I have met with friends from the western Ukraine, the doctors say that the lungs of the dead were black. And that, perhaps this is not influenza but pneumonic plague. Well, if this is indeed a plague, then the news won't mention it for now, and certainly - it's 100% death (according to the U.S. for 1950-1994 - 41%, but the American health care, of course, not Ukrainian, and American doctors knew that they are dealing with a plague - KC).
With each passing day the picture becomes more and more dire, bloggers wrote and continued:
"The number of deaths is understated. The practice of health care service - to respond to anything after a really big problem. And "big" - far not 60 - as reported to the authorities at the moment.
All the actions talk about a really serious problem that the government is facing. The atmosphere in general - I recalled the early days of the Chernobyl accident - were the same "movement", and secrecy on the part of officials.
The regional center: converted the place to fit 200 beds, tripled the personnel of Precinct Therapeutic Services for special situation of contagious diseases (on materials of live broadcast 'Medchinovnika').
For continuing news regarding Ukraine here are a couple of links in English for your perusal:
http://www.interfax.com.ua/eng/
http://news.google.com/news?&rls=en&q=ukraine&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn
Do you have a valid url for “plague” Taffini?
Ditto.
Like something that could come from Chinese Drywall?
A hot strain of Yersinia pestis can double every 20 minutes in culture. Pneumonic forms are easily passed by droplet infection from coughing/sneezing. If this is a purposely deployed bioweapon, it is an extremely stupid move.
I just bumped the thread so I can easily find it again and read it as it expands.
Don’t the Ukraines still have nukes, though. If ethnic cleansing is the case then I guess the Russians threw MAD out the window.
in rides the white horse...
I read at a source not allowed to be posted here at FR that a Doctor/scientist (cant remember) called a radio station claiming a release of a bacteria/virus (one or the other) into the public from a lab source and then he was arrested or was it murdered.
I can see if I still have the url to the article if anyone is interested.
If you remember the way the Russians poisoned and nearly killed him a few years back a little paranoia on his part is understandable. Still it is good to be careful when suggesting a widespread outbreak in Europe of the Black Death.
No. IMHO.
I forgot about Russians trying to kill him. Still, he sounds hysterical and uninformed.
One of the lesser known aspects of the 1918 influenza epidemic is that it mutated into a pneumonic variant. It attacked the lungs to such an extent that the bodies of victims would turn black from lack of oxygen.
I was just reading about that for the first time the other day.
Bleeding out of the skin too IIRC from my reading.
“Bleeding out of the skin too...”
OMG! I actually deleted something from my former post about that - because I thought it wasn’t pertinent.
There is a variant of smallpox variola known as blackpox. It is hemoraghaic (like Ebola), the body turns black, and the fatality rate is 93%! And the Russians stockpile it among their bioweapons. If this was smallpox I’m sure we would have heard about it by now, though.
No, this sounds more like a mutation of H1N1, like the one that popped up in 1918-1919. And it appears to have a high mortality rate just like in 1918 - 1919, too. I have read that the Black Death in Europe was most likely an influenza and not a bacteria caused disease.
So...is it something created by the Russians? Any quesses?
Also, Ukraine suffers extensively every year from the flu. This appears to be much worse though.
And glow in the dark! (lol)
Yes, it does seem to be some White Jihadist site... however, where was it that they found those men dead of the plague on the path to or from a jihad camp site? Albania? I vaguely remember something about some Al Queda being found dead from the plague.
First pneumonic plague is caused by a bacterium (Yersinia pestis, same one that causes bubonic plague) not a virus, second it’s hardly and “unknown” disease.
Not a criticism of you, just of an illiteracy by the journalist whose report you passed on.
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