Posted on 11/01/2009 11:07:45 AM PST by lonewacko_dot_com
Hoffman's immigration stance - all three sentences of it - is here:
Where do you stand on illegal immigration?
There is no question that our immigration policies are flawed. The answer, though, is not to put up a wall and stop all immigration. The answer is to create an easier path for immigrants to enter the United States - and to work here - while at the same time getting tough on illegal immigrants who commit crimes.
For those who don't follow this issue that closely, the above is Bush-like boilerplate. For instance, compare what Hoffman says to what Bush said in 2004:
I will work to ensure a system of safe and orderly migration. Earlier this year, I proposed a temporary worker program, not an amnesty program, that will offer legal status as temporary workers to undocumented men and women who were employed in the United States when I announced this proposal.
Much more at the link, and there are some questions for him here. It might be better to ask him about that now - and perhaps get him to change his mind and oppose "guest" workers - than to find out later what exactly he supports.
(Excerpt) Read more at 24ahead.com ...
Is that you!!??
I think it is both.... Even Reagan wasn’t pure...
Once again you have missread the statemnt!!
The democrats so want this seat...Obama lures the Republican, “McHugh”, from the seat to be Army secretary, then the democrats load both candidate slots with two liberals so there won’t be any chance in hell to lose! If that’s not enough, the smartest History Professor in the Country, “Newt”, was willing to go along with the liberal Republican in order to keep the Republican Umbrella together no matter what the Republican candidate believed in, as long as there is an (R) next the candidates’ name>
I’m sure the folks in NY23 will weigh this information and decide accordingly.
I thought you were calling me Newt. I get your point now.
Brilliantly played
That's weaseling. Yes, our immigration policies are quite flawed, especially with respect to spouses who are foreign nationals. Japan, which has a well-deserved reputation for xenophobia, has a more realistic policy - prove you're married (show all the documentation), prove you're in legal tax standing and whoop there it is. Took me about 45 minutes in Otemachi to get my Japanese spousal visa.
I have mixed feelings on overstays. I did actually overstay once in the Philippines. I'd spent the week in Manila banging my head against the wall in frustration in the US Embassy with paperwork for my son (the US Embassy is within walking distance of Philippine Immigration) and got on a boat to return to Mindanao and realized to my horror that I had forgotten to have my passport stamped by Immigration. Upon landing in Davao City, I booked a hotel room across the street from the Immigration office there, was one of the first people in line the next morning, apologized, paid a (modest) fine, "no harm, no foul, no blood, no ambulance."
The proper system would treat people who are respecting and obeying immigration law with a similar respect. Sneaking across the border to work is and should be always a crime. The weasel language is here:
while at the same time getting tough on illegal immigrants who commit crimes
By definition, one who is in the country illegally has committed a crime. I think there should be some leeway for someone who has made a minor mistake. It is not a minor mistake to enter the country illegally. It is not a minor mistake to commit any other crime while in the country illegally.
I do not see any problem whatsoever relaxing the rules somewhat for people who will abide by them and will behave legally. I have a huge problem rewarding criminal behavior and that's what I see amnesty as doing.
(And none of this is relevant as to whether or not Hoffman should be elected. Certainly, he will act saner in office than Owens).
Because Mel gave us the same kind of “Lawyer” responses. A man that does not talk straight is a liar and cannot be trusted.
Mel had lots of support too and he turned out to be a RINO POS.
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That was the question, not what you felt about Martinez.
And when/where exactly was Hoffman supposed to have said these things? Anyone smell a slight attempt to discredit the conservative candidate by some liar on the left? I’ll not believe anything I hear about Hoffman over the next two days.
The liberal Democrat is out of the race. She was the Republican nominee supported by Daily Kos and the NRA. The conservative is kinda wishy washy on immigration. What is the Dem nominees position on immigration? I understand he is pro life. It is hard to understand the players in this race without a rogram. What a mess. Glad I dont have to vote on this one.
McCain was bad on every issue, but you have to realize that a president isn’t alone but is surrounded by “advisors” or even, in the case of Zero, by people actually pulling the strings. No GOPer could possibly be entirely surrounded by people as evil as those Barry has brought to the WH with him, and I think McCain would have listened to reason on immigration.
I felt at the time when people were attacking Bush over immigration that we were being set up to use one issue (about which some people feel very strongly and are very vocal) to make sure that we would be divided and unable to support any single candidate because he wasn’t perfect enough on that issue. But that overlooks the fact that we could have dealt with somebody in the Bush mold on that issue, or even with Bush at the time, if we had offered suggestions and pressure rather than screaming “kill him,” which is exactly what the Dems were hoping for.
What I was sorry about was that people who opposed it just screamed instead of trying to negotiate their way to a good solution. Instead, they trashed Bush, rejected any solutions - and now we have a radical Dem Third-Worlder who is going to give us an immigration “solution” more drastic than anything we could have imagined. Amnesty nothing...we’ll probably all be told to move out of our houses and hand them over to the huge numbers of Muslims he has already indicated he wants to bring here (legally).
We have to learn how to work on issues and reach positions that are as close as they can be to our ideal position. I’m very pro-life, for example, but if a politician will support getting through laws to protect life from conception to natural death, even if he isn’t very personally committed and isn’t out there campaigning to overturn Roe v Wade, that’s fine. You have to get what you can, and if you reject reasonable steps that DON’T COMPROMISE THE PRINCIPLE (this is important, hence the caps) even if the actual working out of it is not all you’d want at that moment...you don’t end up with perfection, you end up with Obama.
“McCain?”
The Dems vote in LOCK-STEP for amnesty - McCain wants the same. So, bottom-line, no difference...in other words McCain is no worse than the Dems (no better, but no worse).
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Another Martinez? That’s nonsense. Does upstate NY have the same illegal problems that FL has?
He sounds like a man who will listen to his constituents. If there is a problem in his district, he will hear about it. Don’t go off the deep end, he’s not a career politician, he can be reasoned with.
The PAC is AFAIK run by Chris Simcox. I met him several years ago and I wasn’t entirely impressed by his ability to follow instructions: I wanted examples of how the MSM misquoted him and the like, and all he could do is give his stock speech.
There’s also this quote from him: “I am willing, and our organization is more than willing, down the road, after we get the boarder secured and the laws enforced, to provide a pathway for citizenship to those who have families in the United States, who’ve had children.”
http://www.pbs.org/now/news/318-transcript.html
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