It's been quite a while since I've posted an article, but the situation so warrants.
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To: Dog Gone; glock rocks; Amerigomag; Artist; lepton; Buckhead; RadioAstronomer; Kevin Curry; ...
2 posted on
10/26/2009 7:47:40 AM PDT by
Carry_Okie
(Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
To: Carry_Okie
Thanks! So the upshot is that we’re screwed, right?
To: Carry_Okie
7 posted on
10/26/2009 8:14:35 AM PDT by
Lurkina.n.Learnin
(Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
To: Squantos; hiredhand; Joe Brower; GeronL; bang_list
9 posted on
10/26/2009 8:28:27 AM PDT by
Carry_Okie
(Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
To: Carry_Okie; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy; TenthAmendmentChampion; FrPR; enough_idiocy; ...
10 posted on
10/26/2009 8:40:29 AM PDT by
steelyourfaith
(Limit all U.S. politicians to two terms: One in office and one in prison! to s)
To: SunkenCiv
Ping for historical procrastination.
The treaties are coming home to RULE the roost.
13 posted on
10/26/2009 8:47:32 AM PDT by
Avoiding_Sulla
(Yesterday's Left = today's status quo. Thus "CONSERVATIVE": a conflicted label for battling tyranny.)
To: Carry_Okie; bamahead; Jeff Head
14 posted on
10/26/2009 9:09:37 AM PDT by
EdReform
(The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo
Not our normal topic of discussion, but I think you'll enjoy it anyway.
17 posted on
10/26/2009 11:25:13 AM PDT by
Carry_Okie
(Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
To: Carry_Okie
Interesting! Good to see you writing again.
About treaties...the congress can and HAS reversed treaties. They are NOT the last word. In 1866, they made a treaty with the Cherokee Nation, holding they would not be taxed on tobacco.
[snip] The Boudinot Tabacco Factory was located just inside Indian Territory near Siloam Springs, Arkansas and proved popular and lucrative to local businesses. Noticing the success of the enterprise and the temptation of revenue and reprisal, the government acted upon a law they had just imposed for a federal excise tax on tobacco and distilled spirits which did not exempt Indian Territory.
Watie refused to pay what he considered an illegitimate tax against a sovereign state and in violation of the treaty made only a year before which held Cherokee or other tribes were not subject such tax. Boudinot, having been involved in writing the language of the treaty, knew the congress and the government had acted outside the agreement.
Nevertheless, federal officers confiscated and closed the factory, seized the assets to pay the back tax and forced Watie into bankruptcy. Boudinot filed suit against the government, but typically the case was long delayed. This became a landmark decision, setting precedent that a law passed by Congress could supersede provisions of even a recent treaty.
From Chapter 16 “Jesus Wept” An American Story
http://jesusweptanamericanstory.blogspot.com/
18 posted on
10/26/2009 1:46:52 PM PDT by
AuntB
(If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; NormsRevenge; SierraWasp
Enviro ping.
26 posted on
10/26/2009 8:03:59 PM PDT by
Carry_Okie
(Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
To: Carry_Okie
As always, an effective communicator. Thanks for this and other work.
31 posted on
10/27/2009 12:09:38 AM PDT by
LomanBill
(Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
To: Carry_Okie; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; ...
Carry_Okie is correct in post#33 about the surreptitious nature of treaties. It is to be expected that this sort of mechanism be used to strip us (legally, anyways) of our God-given freedoms. As usual, sneaking things into law behind our backs and beneath our notice are the standard modus operandi of the modern-day tyrant.
34 posted on
10/27/2009 6:47:00 AM PDT by
Joe Brower
(Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
To: Carry_Okie
Mississippi
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To: EdReform; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...
44 posted on
10/27/2009 8:18:02 AM PDT by
bamahead
(Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
To: Carry_Okie
I think the Supremacy Clause may very well be the cause of the next civil war. It is poorly written, and there is plenty of room among the words for principled disagreement.
First of all, to state the obvious: If the President and 2/3 of the Senate could amend the Constitution, there would be no need for an arduous amendment process. Second, also obvious: the government erected by the Constitution is not sovereign in the European sense of the word, it exercises certain powers traditional to sovereignty, but only those delegated by the actual sovereign (the People of the United States).
Now, on to the language:
"...any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
I think the proper construction is: "any Thing in [the Constitution or Laws of any State] to the Contrary notwithstanding.", which, expanded to clarity would read "in the Constitution of any State or the Laws of any State". The intent was that individual states could not nullify treaties, either through their state constitutions or their state laws.
But the missing words "of any State" following "the Constitution" allows another construction, i.e., "any Thing [in the Constitution] or [Laws of any State] to the Contrary notwithstanding.", making any Thing refer to BOTH the Federal Constitution and to State laws.
I'm sure Obama and all of his followers prefer #2. And, given the ambiguity of the language, there may be no choice if the thing is pressed than to fight it out.
How bad do you think it's gonna be?
Pretty goddam bad. Probably all the other Families countries will line up against us. That's all right. These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood. Been ten years since the last one. You know, you gotta stop them at the beginning. Like they should have stopped Hitler at Munich, they should never let him get away with that, they was just asking for trouble.
45 posted on
10/27/2009 8:45:51 AM PDT by
Jim Noble
(I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
To: Carry_Okie
Excellent!
It does show our lack of attention to the fed is costing us every day.
50 posted on
10/27/2009 9:13:21 AM PDT by
devistate one four
(Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
To: Carry_Okie
Wow! Just like taking castor oil....when I was a kid...Shows you how old I am...
No hope....No change...The experiment is over....
71 posted on
10/27/2009 8:19:45 PM PDT by
SuperLuminal
(Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
To: neverdem
Don't know if you saw this.
75 posted on
10/28/2009 12:15:22 PM PDT by
Carry_Okie
(Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
To: MamaTexan
Don’t know if you saw this and forgot to ping you. Sorry.
78 posted on
10/28/2009 4:48:25 PM PDT by
Carry_Okie
(Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
To: Carry_Okie
Thanks Mark. I’ve shared this with some of my friends.
82 posted on
10/29/2009 3:18:01 PM PDT by
CounterCounterCulture
(Chuck DeVore for U.S. Senate from California ... Bounce Boxer)
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