Posted on 10/21/2009 12:31:03 PM PDT by kevin
I don’t know what to think, as this exclusive could be a big nothing. If it is true, then swine is much deadlier than assumed.
“I’d rather fight than switch!” LOL ...
Where I live .. every where I go and at work ... most people i see are some form of sick.. mild fever .. coughing... aches.. all that nonsense. Ive been lucky enough to not get sick yet. But I dont doubt for a second its swine flu. Maybe its a blessing in disguise that hopefully most people wont be subjected to this vaccine.
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Sniff....
Rule in our house is no fever and kid still wants to go (mine always do because they don’t want to get behind) then kid goes. Same rule when I was a kid in my house.
Fever - stays home - period.
We have immune systems for a reason and as with any armament it needs exercising to ensure proper execution for the nasty stuff - colds are just training.
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I’ve not yet met anyone who has had this flu. Supposedly 90% of the children in a particular public school in town are infected, but no one I know knows anyone whose kids are sick.
Odd.
What a freaking joke! My family got sick BEFORE testing, then they did MANDATORY testing for a few months, and now they are no longer testing anyone where I live (as far as I’ve heard).
Then I’ve got friends who are having kids sent home from school with notes that 3-4 kids in their classes are sick with H1N1...
I don’t trust ANYTHING in the media about this “Chimera Flu”
The rapid test fails 50% of the time, according to the CDC. This, I heard from my pediatrician. And that is why she didn’t bother to test my daughter. She knew my daughter had H1N1, knew my whole family had it, and said the test wasn’t necessary. We were terribly ill.
A week later, I saw the physcian’s assistant at my doctor’s office. He refused to believe I had had the swine flu, because I hadn’t had the test. Idiot. I didn’t need a test to know how sick I had been.
There was an article here on FR that said the rapid test is inaccurate. DVDMom posted it. You can look for it, if you want.
[Ping to this thread for Joe & DVDMom]
I know the rule when I was an Assistant Teacher in a Montessori school was as follows — a fever of 101 or above means an automatic “pick-up” by the parents, and they are NOT allowed back in school until the fever had been gone (without medication) for at least 24 hours. (In some cases where children have been given motrin and it wore off halfway through the morning and we discovered the child was STILL sick — well, those families were kept track of and if a pattern developed we eventually required them to provide a DOCTOR’s note to return to guarantee they weren’t loading the kids up with drugs before dropping them off... Very sad, but true). I do have to say this was 18 years ago that I was teaching, so things may have changed...
As a parent I would be like you (if we didn’t homeschool) — a fever equals at least a day at home in bed with rest, and fluids.
I have friends in various areas of the country (mostly in the NW Suburbs of Chicago) that are being informed that children in their kids classes are sick with H1N1. One came home with a note today saying 3-4 kids were out sick with H1N1. I had another friend living in the same area whose son had HIVES for a week, then developed a fever of 104. She then took him to the ER with the fever and he came back positive for H1N1 — their regular doctor didn’t consider he had the flu due to the hives (thought it was some kind of allergic reaction even though Benadryl did NOTHING for the hives).
This sure is one strange virus... I’ve also heard some people come down with what at first appears to be pink-eye (conjunctivitis). Regardless, it doesn’t even seem as if many pediatricians KNOW what to look for right now if it doesn’t present as a “classic” flu right away...
Sorry to rant... I almost tempted to get out my tin foil hat again. I honestly, truly believe that this was an engineered virus, and that NO-ONE knows what the hell will happen in the future with it... Too many strange symptoms, and like you said — strange reports from schools and such as well...
All I know is that my kids are NOT getting this vaccine, and I STRONGLY urge all my friends who are pregnant and who have children to SERIOUSLY research EVERYTHING they can on this vaccine before they decide on the shot.
Thanks for your comments... I know not many people believe me either as my family caught it in early April (right when it started hitting the news). All I know is that my husband and children have never been so sick in their lives... As a parent you probably know how hard it is to keep a child in bed when they are sick. Well, I had NO COMPLAINTS from my kids who were in bed for 1 1/2 weeks!
My one daughter (after about 5 days) decided she couldn’t stand being in bed and felt “better” (plus her fever had gone down a lot). I (stupidly) let her sit outside on the front porch for some fresh air (it was nice out), she decided to walk around the block (which I specifically told her NOT to do, BTW — ugh, kids! LOL). The next day — back in bed again, and then also had a horrid sore throat to boot. She ended up in bed for a extra week.
Me? Well, the meds I’m on regularly hid the aches and the fever and it hit me in the chest after a week of taking care of the rest of my brood! I have to tell you that I literally thought I really was going to die (coughing up blood and HORRID pain with every breath). Thank God I went to the doctor when I did — they think I had a secondary infection on top of the virus (which at the time they said was “some kind of flu going around”), and in my case a really strong antibiotic was also prescribed, along with inhalers. No anti-virals because they figured we’d all been sick too long already (plus as I said this was before they realized it wasn’t JUST in Mexico).
Thanks for the info on the rapid test DVD Mom put up. I’m sure it’s probably in my pings somewhere, I’ll go check for it. I haven’t been here in a while...
Semi-silver lining for me — they ordered a Chest CT for me and found a growth on my adrenal gland by “accident”. (I go in tomorrow to see if it’s grown at all over the last 6 months...)
Sorry this post was so long, and I may have repeated things I already posted... Worrisome night for me here.
Let me add this.
When I went and saw the physician’s assistant, I had just gotten over a week of the swine flu. I didn’t have a fever. So the swine flu had passed. This was normal. This was the normal course of the swine flu.
The pediatrician had told me to send my daughter back to school after the fever had passed. Her fever was gone by Friday night. She returned to school the next Monday.
My fever had passed on the same Friday. My coughing started that weekend. On Tuesday, I saw the physician’s assistant at my doctor’s office. The cough was terrible.
I had bronchitis.
The JERK did not believe I had had the swine flu.
Now, I haven’t had to go back to the doctor, since.
But, I’ll tell you this. The next time I go back, I won’t see him. I will hold out to see my doctor. I will put my foot down and DEMAND to see her, and complain that I will not see him, I need to see her.
And when I do see her, I will tell her what he said to me, what the pediatrician said about the testing, how he treated me, what other medical professionals around the world have said about the swine flu... and simply put, I will tell my doctor that I will never see her physician’s assistant, again.
It’s dangerous when they REFUSE to LISTEN to the patients. We are NOT stupid.
Oh, and that post by DVDMom. It’s from last night.
Makes me wonder how many of us had the disease progress like that... From a flu to bronchitis/bronchial infections. From what I remember about the folks who ended up dying from this flu, it seems they were all on respirators, and had prior medical problems (I’m thinking now that it was probably respiratory problems; chronic bronchitis, asthma, COPD, and the like.) It just seems logical to me that those were these “underlying conditions” they don’t reveal... Especially with the advice out there that children with asthma should definitely receive the vaccine. [I have one acquaintance from HS that has a child with egg allergies, AND asthma — poor thing is beside herself with worry over this...]
I definitely hear you as far as doctors not thinking their patients are smart enough to know what is going on. I’ve just gotten to the point with things where, for instance, the last time I was in the ER I informed the nurses and the doctors I saw that I used to read the Merck Manual for FUN back when I was a kid (I know a little weird, but it’s true! I even have a current copy that I’ve caught my daughter reading like I used to — she told me a little bit ago she wants to be a pharmacist...).
Anyway, I informed them that while I fully realize I don’t know enough to do their jobs obviously, I do know a LOT (too much for my own good in some ways) - sorta like a “medical junkie”. I found they then treated me a lot differently than previous visits. They didn’t mince words, and didn’t bother trying to dumb things down, or wave off my concerns quite so easily. I found that they treated me as more of a “partner” in trying to figure out exactly what was wrong instead of as some object they were studying... I suppose it depends on the doctors and nurses own long personalities as to how they deal with patients like us though... Some think that unless you have an MD degree on your wall you can’t possibly know ANYTHING!
I can understand some doctors frustrations with many people too though — I’ve heard so many stories of “medical student syndrome” popping up in the “civilian” population due to the popularity of shows like House, ER, etc... People who show up after the latest episodes CONVINCED they have whatever effected the patient in the last show. Plus, I know a LOT of medical professionals HATE that information is so readily available on the internet nowadays. I imagine it is kind of hard for some whose patients are constantly second-guessing their diagnoses and such... It’s a real shame that some doctors don’t realize that this information, and educated patients can actually HELP them to help US though. As I said, I think too many just assume we jump to conclusions too quickly, or that we can’t possibly understand what we research ourselves — especially if we use the internet at ALL to research, no matter what sites we choose!
I’m actually going through something similar right now with a growth I have on my adrenal gland. I’ve done a TON of serious research and I don’t believe the “wait and see” attitude they are taking with me at the moment is right. Depending on what they find tomorrow on my CT scan, and depending on what my doctor says when she calls me with the results I will probably at LEAST get a second opinion, or make an appointment with an endocrinologist. I have mild symptoms that indicate that this growth is not dormant, and it appears to me as if my doctor doesn’t take these things into account instead attributing them to other problems I have.
Anyway, sorry to talk your ear off. I think I already mentioned on the thread I go in for my CT scan tomorrow so this topic is really on my mind tonight... It’s hard when you feel as if you may know more than your doctor about a specific situation. Like I said, I would never say that I could do their job, but when it comes to what is happening with my own body, and this particular problem I’m facing, I don’t think my general practitioner is really that educated in this particular area — it’s definitely a specialist-type case...
Anyway, I definitely urge you to tell your doctor what your experience was with her PA. She needs to know this... Even if you write a letter instead of waiting till you need to go in next time.
I wish I had done so years ago in regards to an OB nurse who put me through hell the night before I gave birth to my 3rd child. If it hadn’t been my 3rd child, and I didn’t know what was going on — well, let’s just say I was >< this close to telling my husband let’s just leave and have the baby at home. Thank God the shift changed at that point, and my next nurse was an angel (maybe even literally - she was THAT wonderful!). I think she probably got in trouble anyway because the intern who came to break my water to “induce” me took 2 steps into the room and declared (by the look on my face) that I was in ACTIVE labor even if the contractions weren’t showing on the monitor! Everything went REALLY fast after that and when my doctor arrived at the hospital he was NOT a happy camper, but I don’t think he knew just how bad that nurse was... I still feel bad about NOT writing a complaint to the hospital, because I can’t imagine what it would’ve been like had it been my first child with a nurse like her...
OK, sorry again this is so long and I’m getting off topic. I’m sure we could probably trade stories (good and bad) on this topic all night! LOL Thanks for listening! :)
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