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Dragonfly design tips (bioengineers: flight mechanism "analogous to coaxial contra-rotating rotors")
CMI ^ | October 20, 2009 | David Catchpoole, Ph.D.

Posted on 10/20/2009 9:02:01 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Just how can the dragonfly perform its energetically-demanding aerial acrobatics—flying backwards or forwards, fast, slow or hovering—and remain airborne for such extended periods?

The answer, in part, is that it...

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1 posted on 10/20/2009 9:02:02 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Tripple CrapFest today, eh?


2 posted on 10/20/2009 9:04:05 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

ping!


3 posted on 10/20/2009 9:04:14 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I think engineers can learn a lot from insect mechanics. I have always been fascinated by the “daddy long legs” spider, how they control those long legs, about 20 times the size of their bodies. The control systems must be ingenious.


4 posted on 10/20/2009 9:07:10 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (All Hail the Community Organizer -in -Chief)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Another amazing creation, revealing God's handiwork for all but the most close-minded.
5 posted on 10/20/2009 9:13:53 AM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


6 posted on 10/20/2009 9:17:52 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts
Dragonflies are amazing, aren't they.

Interesting footnote to the article: "The fact that living and fossil forms are the same despite the supposed “millions of years of evolution” in the meantime is a major challenge to evolutionists, though they don’t always admit it."

Why would they admit to something that isn't true? First, many species have remained relatively unchanged for millions of years. How in the world is this a problem for evolutionary theory?

Creationists would be better served selecting other unique insects without a fossil record. Dragonflies have one of the better fossil records, dating back about 300 million years.

And as far as "unchanged," let me know the next time you spot a dragonfly with a TWO AND A HALF FOOT wingspan.
7 posted on 10/20/2009 9:18:11 AM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Usage of the word "design" multiple times....check.

Some cool info on dragonfly wings....check.

With this new insight into the aerodynamic efficiency of out-of-phase flapping, engineers hope to apply it in the next generation of flapping micro air vehicles.

I seriously doubt anyone's REALLY looking at a "flapping" aircraft. MUCH easier to have a rotary mechanism than a flapping mechanism.....I'd guess it's easier on the aircraft too. Just thinking of all that stress on an attachment point...

It defies reason to suggest that an energy-efficient aerial acrobat such as the dragonfly was not intentionally, and intelligently, designed.

False conclusion Dr., but good use of the word "design"...

In fact, the researchers involved in this aerodynamic efficiency study apparently recognized the difficulty their finding presents to the widely-accepted evolutionary scenario, which posits that four-winged dragonflies arose long before (i.e., are “more primitive” than) the two-winged Diptera

BWAAAAAAhahahahaha......stupid Dr. should have studied some entomology. Dipterans' ancestors USED TO HAVE 4 wings but their hind wings developed into haltares....hint.....evolution.

Surely it makes much more sense to say that four-winged dragonflies and two-winged flies were each designed to do what they do do, and what they do do, they do do well!

Surely, Dr., it makes more SCIENTIFIC sense to say that dipterans, hemipterans, anisopterans, zygopterans, tricopterans, etc.... evolved or co-evolved from common 4-winged ancestors.

The Creationist thing to say is "God did it."

8 posted on 10/20/2009 9:49:41 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with vegetarian T. rex within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: xcamel; GodGunsGuts
Tripple CrapFest today, eh?

And yet, you come by each thread, sniffing and inhaling deeply of the Crap, filling your nostrils with the tainted scent from the Crap, almost as if you really, really liked the smell.

: )

9 posted on 10/20/2009 10:10:12 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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Or, in reality, just pointing out where others might not wish to step.

(or in your case, fall face first into..)


10 posted on 10/20/2009 10:13:00 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: ElectricStrawberry

If you want to see the feathers fly, just say ‘a God’, instead of ‘The God’.


11 posted on 10/20/2009 10:15:12 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: GodGunsGuts
“Surely it makes much more sense to say that four-winged dragonflies and two-winged flies were each designed to do what they do do, and what they do do, they do do well!”

What empirical evidence does the author cite to support this assertion?

12 posted on 10/20/2009 10:15:56 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, ThereÂ’s a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: ElectricStrawberry

I have a collection of Odonata. Some can only be speciated by the venation pattern of the wing. Beautiful creatures that spawn from some of the ugliest macroinvertebrates that ever crawled through the pond.

That could be used as a nice analogy... (fill in the blank style).


13 posted on 10/20/2009 10:18:50 AM PDT by FormerRep
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To: Ira_Louvin

They aren’t partial to presenting evidence over editorialization.


14 posted on 10/20/2009 10:19:55 AM PDT by FormerRep
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To: xcamel
Or, in reality, just pointing out where others might not wish to step.

Then why do you step right into the middle of it? Bored?

Doesn't that contradict your tagline?

15 posted on 10/20/2009 10:19:59 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Ira_Louvin
What empirical evidence does the author cite to support this assertion?

Maybe the author is citing the fact that they have survived for like 250 million years, unchanged. I'd say that was pretty good evidence.

16 posted on 10/20/2009 10:21:38 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: FormerRep; ElectricStrawberry

Here’s something to ponder.

Caterpillars are wormlike fuzzy creatures that climb around plants and eat their leaves. They wrap themselves up in a cocoon and, in a wink of an eye, totally EVOLVE (metamorphosis) into an entirely different (in just about every way one can think of) creature. How is it possible that a creature can totally ‘transform’ it’s body????


17 posted on 10/20/2009 10:26:36 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2

250 million years? What are you, some kind of old-earther. Don’t tell me you’ve bought this fraudulent science that claims to prove the earth is millions, yea, even billions of years old. Blasphemer. Infidel!
(/sarc, although I hope it isn’t really necessary to say so)


18 posted on 10/20/2009 10:27:26 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: UCANSEE2

All exoskeletal creatures molt to grow. The transition comes as they reach sexual maturity - you must admit that you don’t look the same now as you did when you were a toddler.


19 posted on 10/20/2009 10:31:07 AM PDT by FormerRep
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To: UCANSEE2

Evidence for what?


20 posted on 10/20/2009 10:31:37 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, ThereÂ’s a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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