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The Most Amazing Invention
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Posted on 10/14/2009 1:04:01 PM PDT by Maceman

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To: Right Wing Assault
Sorry, that’s the physics of it.

I still think the picture of water on fire is really cool. Surely that more than makes up for a few kilowatts.

21 posted on 10/14/2009 1:22:40 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Right Wing Assault
Correct, I was in a hurry!!
22 posted on 10/14/2009 1:22:52 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: Maceman

Some additional info here:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070913-burning-water.html

I can’t find much in the way of specifics. Not that I expect it to violate the laws of thermodynamics, but it would be a neat way to generate hydrogen for energy storage - maybe use nukes to generate hydrogen to power pollution-less cars.

One question I have...

If the process breaks up the water into H and O and then “burns” them back into water...what happens to the salt in the saltwater?


23 posted on 10/14/2009 1:23:59 PM PDT by chrisser (Tweet not, lest ye a twit be.)
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To: counterpunch
It’s easy to separate water into hydrogen and O2. It’s doing it with less energy than you get out of it that so far can’t be done. The laws of physics say it is not possible.

Well as of some research last year that is not entirely true. I am sure the link is here on FR somewhere. A scientist was able in a peer review study able to defy the law of thermodynamics and generate more energy that used to create the reaction. It was on an atomic level and was some real out there right brain stuff but he was abe to do it. Lots of Laws of Physics including those of Newton are turning out to be bendable and not in all cicumstances true.

24 posted on 10/14/2009 1:24:11 PM PDT by pburgh01
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To: randog; nascarnation; Right Wing Assault

Why couldn’t this be run during off peak hours when most electricity generated goes unused and is simply lost? Storing H and O2 for use in maybe a peak demand generator should be easy.


25 posted on 10/14/2009 1:26:17 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Red_Devil 232
The most amazing invention according to my neighbor is the Thermos Bottle!

Wrong! Speaking as a "professional" inventor, just this morning I told my son that the greatest invention of all time was .... (wait for it).... the pocket.

26 posted on 10/14/2009 1:26:30 PM PDT by nevergiveup (When in Rome, speak Roman.)
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To: for-q-clinton
Since you are burning a fuel it is possible that there is a net power surplus.

Almost all conversions (fuel to power) involve some kind of net loss. It takes a pretty large surplus to overcome these efficiency losses.

27 posted on 10/14/2009 1:26:54 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Red_Devil 232

How do it know?


28 posted on 10/14/2009 1:27:26 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: counterpunch

In love with the new TV show “Fringe”. Not as good as the X-files, but still fun.

Walter, the loopy scientist, explains that during travel between dimensions, that “Physics is a B_tch!”


29 posted on 10/14/2009 1:29:10 PM PDT by AdamsPapers (Go Navy, Beat Army!)
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To: Maceman
Electrolysis of water with an electric current does the same thing. Only problem is you use more electric energy than the energy stored in the resulting hydrogen gas.

My bet is that RF is far less efficient at breaking the hydrogen-oxygen bond, and the net energy deficit is even worse.

30 posted on 10/14/2009 1:29:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

It is an old joke - and you win the prize!


31 posted on 10/14/2009 1:29:44 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Some days, I’m an old joke. ;)


32 posted on 10/14/2009 1:31:16 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: nevergiveup
Did somebody say pockets?
33 posted on 10/14/2009 1:31:25 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: AdamsPapers
In love with the new TV show “Fringe”. Not as good as the X-files, but still fun.

Did you see the little homage to X-Files/David Duchovny they had a few episodes back, where there is a TV playing the X-Files and we are looking at him through a security camera as he peers into it?

It was hilarious.

34 posted on 10/14/2009 1:32:49 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Well, that would make sense since it cannot violate the laws of thermodynamics. But is it more or less efficient than electrolysis?


35 posted on 10/14/2009 1:34:23 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: Vroomfondel

Spot On! Thanx.


36 posted on 10/14/2009 1:34:39 PM PDT by nevergiveup (When in Rome, speak Roman.)
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To: Neidermeyer

Off-peak electrical energy could be stored in some form. But the H and O released by this process needs to be pressurized for storage/transportation, and that takes energy. Unless this device can work in a high-pressure environment, but you can’t get the pressure for free. Probably would operate at a lower efficiency. Also, for safety reasons you would probably want to separate the H and O, but if doesn’t seem that would be easy with this device.

Any method of off-peak storage would have some energy losses, but it is something to work on.


37 posted on 10/14/2009 1:37:23 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: chrisser
"If the process breaks up the water into H and O and then “burns” them back into water...what happens to the salt in the saltwater?"

That is a good question. I don't believe Sodium Chloride (NaCl) burns. But, I think Sodium does vaporize before 1,000 F (and they said the flame was at 1500 F), and Chlorine is a gas in its natural state. So, perhaps the RF waves break the molecular bonds of NaCL, which causes the Sodium to vaporize, and the Chlorine to escape as a gas - which of course would be toxic - maybe the Chlorine burns as well.

This is why I went to law school, and not MIT.

38 posted on 10/14/2009 1:40:12 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: for-q-clinton
"Since you are burning a fuel it is possible that there is a net power surplus."

With my extremely limited understanding of physics and chemistry, I don't believe so.

39 posted on 10/14/2009 1:42:46 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: nevergiveup
Close, but I'm much fonder of Charmin, than say a corn cob.
40 posted on 10/14/2009 1:42:57 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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