And they started that whole tattoo craze apparently.
Posted on 09/22/2009 7:10:57 PM PDT by Arec Barrwin
Vikings 'were warned to avoid Scotland'
Scotland is full of dangerous natives who speak an incomprehensible language and the is weather awful. That was the verdict of a series of 13th century Viking travel guides that warned voyagers to visit at their peril.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
One thing we have to remember is that since the Dark Ages began (535 AD, otherwise nice Spring day that really went downhill fast) ONE MAIN Division of the Celtic languages totally disappeared, and numerous dialects bellied up. Even Galician (the language of the Milesians who invaded Scota ~ now Ireland ~ about 700 BC) disappeared in the 1600s and was replaced with THREE KINDS of Spanish.
In Galicia (in NW Spain) they have an entirely different set of documents, many of them still in the original Greek (used by the seagoing Celts as a written language for centuries), some translated to old Galician. I kind of follow them on this matter since all of the place names are much more realistically dealt with ~ for example, the Brigantia lighthouse was first built by the Phoenicians but then rebuilt by the Celts when they finally decided to settle Galicia sometime in the 8th or 9th century BC.
The current ruin is a "rebuild" typical of Black Sea styles, not Mediterranean styles.
Authenticity is frequently based on little more than that.
The materials retained in Ireland and Britain are probably copied over only to the extent they justified the rule of the then current dynasty.
Many of those same materials ended up in the folios maintained by the various lords in the Upper Rhone Valley. They clearly come from the far West ~ Britain in fact ~ and have many references to a far more ancient time when the Celts who lent their languages to the Irish relocated from Galicia to Ireland. That same area has a tradition that after the vast destruction (that accompanied the coming of the Dark Ages ~ reflected in the Annals of the Kings) an individual or a group called "Merlin" had to replant the grapes in the Rhone Valley with particular emphasis on the Beaujolais region. That name is, itself derived from the name of the town first founded in the 700s with the arrival of the Celts from Britain who repopulated this area. You can translate it if know how to pronounce it, but it means, more or lass Leader of the Gauls ~ his county.
There's an area in England near West Sussex, West Surrey, East Hampshire ~ all villages within a 2 days walk at the longest ~ where variants in place names pretty much translate out as "Beaujolais" (and all it's many variants).
Ergo, if the folks who left West Sussex in the 700s in the face of Saxon invaders from the Continent were able to retain materials from their ancient Annals all the way down to modern times, I think the Milesians in Ireland who translate some of the old stuff in 100BC were probably able to hang onto some of their own Annals from as far back as 1100 BC.
We are, after all, speaking of the exact same people here, and the crowd around the Royal Presence were very jealous of their own ancient records.
The Bourbon Kings, but not the other Capetian Kings, were always quite proud of their Beaujolais heritage~that being their other name!
Isn’t Scota actually originally an Egyptian Queen of legend per Irish mythology and Milisia her son or vice versa?
There's been a serious dispute between the English classicists and the Spanish classicists on these issues for a very long time ~ since at least the mid 1600s when Galician went out of existence.
BTW, there are a couple of other Celtic languages that disappeared over the length of time we are talking about and there isn't much agreement on what their words meant unless they were clearly cognate. With a large number of Celtic speaking Christian "knights"? entering Northern Spain in the centuries after the Moslem invasion, there's even disagreement over whether various noble names were in Cornish, or some other Celtic language. Many names that seem to be manifestly latinate, or Spanish, or even Arabic, are, on examintion, revealed to be Celtic in derivation ~ all Spanish surnames beginning with "SA", Cornishf for "FLAG", are in that category. Although the Galicians would like for the Celtic contribution to be recognized, the Spanish Spanish try to impress purely Spanish, or even Hebraic, Ladino or Arabic meanings on those names ~ anything but the language of the redheaded wildmen!
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Wait a sec, let me get this straight -- they actually *wanted* to go to Scotland? ;') Hey, it's okay to hit my own people. Thanks Fractal Trader and sionnsar. |
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Julie Fowlis, North Uist and Jenna Reid, Shetland weave a Gaelic tune with a few "A List" side men.
I believe it was actually the Picts that motivated the building of Hadrian’s Wall. The Picts were major badasses.
Pict or Latin “Picti” is from the Latin for “painted,” I think.
And they started that whole tattoo craze apparently.
Mine’s on the way and I cannot wait! I likes me some Jamie.
Some accounts I read said they got beaten pretty badly by the Viking invaders in the north. This weakened the Pictish Kingdom (Pictland) enough to allow the Dal Riada from Ireland (Scoti) to combine and absorb the Pictish Kingdom. So when the Scoti and Pictland combined, you eventually got Scotland.
No doubt the picture will become clearer with DNA studies now underway.
“The Turks, The Irish, The Hun, and others all made the list.
But, I came to the conclusion that historically the Scots have got to be the most bada$$ people on the planet. Period.”
Probably. The Scotch Highlander immigrants of the 17th/18th century found a lot in common with my Cherokee ancestors and several married into their clan. They had many of the same customs, ceremonies.....neither could pass up a good fight.
After fighting in the revolution my Scottish fourth grgrandfather married a Cherokee woman.
Created quite a blend that became a very interesting clan!
Scots, even those who are on the far flung branches of the family trees, hold grudges like no other group and it does not help that they have memories to back up said grudges...especially the men.
You’re related to my husband then for sure. Blue people?
Yes, I know. Now don’t upset me. ;>)
When I was in the 4th grade, a Ron Spinner borrowed 4 cents from me to buy a carton of milk. He never paid it back. Someday I will find him.
...and you’ll demand interest on that 4 cents, no doubt.
(I married one and some say women hold grudges. *rolling eyes*)
Yes.....LOL
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