Posted on 09/20/2009 7:00:12 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker
DB: How aggressive can Obama be in insisting to the Israelis that a military strike might be in America’s worst interest?
Brzezinski: We are not exactly impotent little babies. They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?
DB: What if they fly over anyway?
Brzezinski: Well, we have to be serious about denying them that right. That means a denial where you aren’t just saying it. If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not. No one wishes for this but it could be a Liberty in reverse.
You're underestimating him. He, like Zero, isn't concerned about any consequences to Israel OR to the USA. He's just one more radical/criminal, one of many, that Zero has surrounded himself with.
"If Americans knew that this is the "foreign minister" of a terrorist group specializing in killing women and children first in a hospital, then in a school, and later defenseless civilians in a theater, their indignation might grow into rage."
"Under an Obama administration, Americans will risk getting a reminder of what real war looks like, and they may discover that it is a two-way street."
Israel has a right, a duty to defend itself. Iran is a genocidal realist and WILL launch nukes at Israel the moment it can.
It is obvious that the current US administration not only will not lift a finger to stop Iran - on any timetable - but actively wants Israel to die.
Therefore Israel will not, must not wait for the US. They will do what needs to be done.
Thank God Israel has allies in an attack on Iran. Saudi Arabia, driven by its own realpolitik, will help Israel on this one issue.
Unbelievable that Saudi Arabia should ever be a better ally than the States, but this is the age of crazy.
I don’t understand why anyone thinks Israel would fly through Iraq - Israel has, several times, demonstrated that it can fly through Syrian airspace at will. Didn’t they buzz Assad’s palace at one point? And there was, so far as I heard, no challenge to Israel’s airforce when they destroyed the Syrian nuclear facility. Besides, a nice big attack on the Bekka (sp?) valley, where we suspect Saddam’s WMD are stored, might keep the Syrians a bit pre-occupied.
Cheer up. Hell, I am even stating to believe that the election of Obama might have been better than four years of chloroformed “conservatism” under McCain.
At least now the US has a chance to wake up and smell the coffee.
The NeoCons' entire Iran Strategy subsisted on the cliche, "Axis of Evil"
As for Zbig, he is merely stating what everyone already knows, the US has no more control over Israel than they do over Iran.
Brzezinski is, and always has been—violently anti-Israel and violently anti-Orthodox Christian.
Now he’s the muslim communist obama’s chief foreign policy advisor.
It figures.
Don’t blame ‘the Jews’ for Brzezinski. That is a double injury.
He is in no way shape or form Jewish.
“As for Zbig, the foreign press is reporting that he, Scowcroft, and Kissinger are writing Obama’s back up plan, to be brought forward when Israel backs out. “
I’d be interested in reading that. Do you have a link or site?
“it is about time we threw the socalist-israeli 5th column off this american board!”
How are they “socalist?”
How are they a “5th column?”
Maybe it is you who should leave since there are 189 posts on this thread and yours is the only one agreeing with that idiot Brzezinski.
I pray our country never makes that move.
Thanks.
Kissinger was not in the mix.
James Baker and Carter were.
“Indeed, the “committee of wise men”, consisting of Jimmy Carter, James Baker, Zbigniew Brzezinski and Brent Scowcroft, have apparently applied the finishing touches to an American proposal founded upon four major points”
israel is a fully socialist country! total state support from conception to funeral is guaranteed. the state pays for all medical care conception to death, and pays a fat death bonus to pay for a big traditional funeral afterwards. it pays US $800/month per child as ‘baby bonus’. half the country works for the government and the other half dosent work!
now Israel is always to be defended but this nonesense about letting them call the shots, screw that. MAN UP, FREEPERS! america is in charge of security in the whole region, and we have the place on lockdown TO PROTECT ISRAEL. so enough of this nonesense about them calling the shots. america is in charge here.
When you make the same statements about socialist Europe whose defense we have paid for decades, at a cost that dwarfs the Middle East, and which enables their birth to death Socialism, even though they can well afford their own defense, even though they face few enemies for the last several decades, then I will consider your position on Israel.
Till then you are hypocritical.
Further, we have the ME on “lockdown” to protect US. Proof? We only went in after WE were attacked. We have defended Socialist Europe with our blood as well as treasure. We have never done that for Israel, nor have they wanted it. Israel, and this article confirms it, has only asked us to get out of the way.
Finally we required Israel in Gulf 1 to take missile hits and not respond. Israel will never do that again, nor should they.
“When you make the same statements about socialist Europe whose defense we have paid for decades, at a cost that dwarfs the Middle East, and which enables their birth to death Socialism, even though they can well afford their own defense, even though they face few enemies for the last several decades, then I will consider your position on Israel.
Till then you are hypocritical”
a hypocrite is someone who says one thing and does the opposite, where the hell did i say i was impressed with europe?
u cant defend israel or european socialism so dont even bother. europe is shameful and israel is more socialist than any european country.
There's been speculation that India might provide a refueling and other aid...
I mistakenly transposed the groups.
It is the Kissinger-Scowcroft-Zbig group that has proposed the co-op between NATO and the Collective Security Treaty Organization in Afghanistan.
As for Carter in the Israeli group, that was more for domestic political reasons. When the plan was formulated, it was packaged up in a nice book with a video disc and furnished to all members of congress. It was important that there be two dems and two pubs. All of the dem leftwingers still swoon over Carter's Sec of State Cyrus Vance.
Scowcroft it the head of the realist doctrine group by virtue of the fact that he put Desert Storm together. Bob Gates is Obama's Sec of Defense, but he really works for Scowcroft.
“u cant defend israel or european socialism so dont even bother. europe is shameful and israel is more socialist than any european country.”
Who said I want to defend socialism?
For the record, Israel’s current leader is assertively free market. Israel’s banking system is sounder than Europe’s or the US. Israel does not regulate salaries in its financial sector, nor is it pushing the US to do so. Israel is heading away from socialism unlike Europe and tragically the US.
“where the hell did i say i was impressed with europe?
The discussion was not about your being “impressed” with Israel. Where the hell did you say “screw” Europe or that Europe can’t defend themselves as you did about Israel? Where the hell did you say that the US should order Europe around like you did about Israel?
So do you advocate that we pull out of defending Europe with money and blood? How about just telling Europe that they can’t supply our enemies or have joint exercises with China?
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